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    Just got a response from Kate Harper.

    Dear Abner,
    Thanks for writing. I was unaware of those bills and will review them. In my role as a legislator, I have always found it useful to let CeasefirePA supporters know that PA has in place an excellent background check system, and even better than other states and the federal system in many cases. I was pleased to be able to refute the idea that PA has a "gun show loophole," knowing we do instant checks at gun shows. If the proposed bill can keep us in the category of having better background checks than others, I am fine with that. Kate

    State Representative Kate Harper, Esq.
    1515 Dekalb Pike
    Blue Bell, PA 19422

    And I replied,

    Thank you for your response Ma'am! This is why I keep voting for you! As you may or may not know , the registration of firearms and their owners by any Govt or Law Enforcement agency is already against*Pennsylvania law.

    From the PA Crimes Code;

    6111.4. Registration of firearms.
    ******* Notwithstanding any section of this chapter to the contrary,
    **** nothing in this chapter shall be construed to allow any
    **** government or law enforcement agency or any agent thereof to
    **** create, maintain or operate any registry of firearm ownership
    **** within this Commonwealth. For the purposes of this section only,
    **** the term "firearm" shall include any weapon that is designed to
    **** or may readily be converted to expel any projectile by the
    **** action of an explosive or the frame or receiver of any such
    **** weapon.
    **** (June 13, 1995, 1st Sp.Sess., P.L.1024, No.17, eff. 120 days)

    The PA SP "Record of Sale Database" is an unlawful de facto registry , and often abused , as the PSP freely admits it's incomplete. Occasionally , law abiding individuals who legally own or carry firearms they purchased while residents of other states , while in the military , or were passed down from parents/grandparents , have had then confiscated by police who 'run' then against the ROS database , but show 'no record'. The police then demand 'proof of ownership' to their satisfaction before they are returned. They are then turned over to a federal and state*licensed dealer , and the owner is forced to fill out an application for purchase and fill out all paperwork , pass PICS check , pay a fee and now the gun is 'registered' in the ROS database to their satisfaction.


    The PSP-run PICS is also a nightmare as often it*takes a long time , or*crashes on busy (gunshow) weekends , and has many eligible purchasers put into 'research' or denied for illegitimate reasons.


    Thank you again for your attention to this matter!

    Sincerely, Abner13
    I don't speak English , I talk American!

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    I would be fine with keeping pics IF our law makers could get their collective nut sacks together and stop the illegal sales data base. Maybe a good solid threat to.....gasp.....dare to end a government agency...... will get their asses in gear to do something.

    NICS works just fine for the rest of the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Country View Post
    I would be fine with keeping pics IF our law makers could get their collective nut sacks together and stop the illegal sales data base. Maybe a good solid threat to.....gasp.....dare to end a government agency...... will get their asses in gear to do something.

    NICS works just fine for the rest of the country.
    AFAIK , dealers in some other states use NICS for free and don't charge the customer. The PSP uses it and charges the dealer $5. And the dealers often charge the customer more.
    I don't speak English , I talk American!

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Country View Post
    NICS works just fine for the rest of the country.
    does not agree with
    Quote Originally Posted by knight0334 View Post
    The last report of the NICS challenge time frame is 18+ months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt.K View Post
    does not agree with
    Doesn't mean anything without context.

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    Trade a de facto state registry for a de facto national registry? No thanks.

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    I'd rather fight to eliminate the sales database and keep PICS

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    Quote Originally Posted by esh21167 View Post
    Trade a de facto state registry for a de facto national registry? No thanks.
    Don't see anything about a National Registry. No info on the firearm is entered into PICS (or NICS) during a check.
    I don't speak English , I talk American!

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