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March 10th, 2017, 02:22 PM #11
Re: Is NICS a national registration system?
There are degrees of "registration". Knowing that someone may have "guns" just puts them into the 30-60% of Americans who have guns.
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The real problem is when the government knows exactly WHICH guns you have, because that makes a ban and confiscation possible.
That's why the gun-hating collectivists keep insisting on eliminating all private transfers, and having universal registration, and having mandatory reporting of lost or stolen guns. Because they don't have any interest in stopping crimes (which those things don't do), they want total control over all guns, they anticipate repeating the Nazi door-to-door confiscations, with lists in hand, and the ability to jail anyone who can't account for all the guns on the list.
The Left plays the long game, and they have no problem with lying to the American people about the facts and about their ultimate goals. I don't trust any government with registration of what I read, what guns I own, or a list of every place I go on a daily basis. They've demonstrated that they are unwilling to safeguard my info, and they are willing if not actually eager to use all power to promote their agenda, without regard for the laws or the Constitution.
That being said, as long as we have a mandatory background check on any transfers, I prefer local control over centralized Washington-based control. That's just common sense.Attorney Phil Kline, AKA gunlawyer001@gmail.com
Ce sac n'est pas un jouet.
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March 10th, 2017, 05:26 PM #12
Re: Is NICS a national registration system?
GL:
The real problem is when the government knows exactly WHICH guns you have, because that makes a ban and confiscation possible
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March 10th, 2017, 06:01 PM #13
Re: Is NICS a national registration system?
"Is NICS a national registration system?"
As for sales handled through FFL's, anytime a name is assigned to a firearm's serial number and information is saved and maintained, it's a registry by any other name. Stolen guns go into a national database. If you reported a gun stolen 20 years ago and it is recovered today, they will contact the person from some known database to return it.Lower your expectations to zero and you'll never be disappointed.
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March 10th, 2017, 09:17 PM #14
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March 10th, 2017, 11:15 PM #15
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March 11th, 2017, 02:00 PM #16
Re: Is NICS a national registration system?
I can see no reason for them not to. Intelligence shared between LE entities is normal.
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March 12th, 2017, 01:22 PM #17
Re: Is NICS a national registration system?
From an email today from NRA-ILA:
This week, two important bills, House Bill 763 and Senate Bill 224, have been introduced in the Pennsylvania General Assembly. Sponsored by state Representative Jason Ortitay (R-46) and state Senator Camera Bartolotta (R-46), these bills would eliminate the current Pennsylvania Instant Check System (PICS), as well as the current handgun record of sale, and replace it with the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), which is administered by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). It is imperative that you contact your state legislators and urge them to support HB 763 and SB 224! Please click the “Take Action” button to contact your legislators.
Under the NICS system, licensed dealers contact the FBI, via a toll-free telephone number to run a check of computerized criminal history and mental health records at the point of sale for firearm purchases. Upon confirmation that the purchaser has no prohibiting criminal or mental health record, the purchaser may take possession of the firearm.
Since its inception in 1998, PICS has cost Pennsylvania tax payers nearly 120 million dollars to conduct background checks on gun purchasers in the Keystone State. By replacing the system with NICS, taxpayers in Pennsylvania would be relieved of a burdensome, duplicative process and would be able to take advantage of the more efficient federal system. Currently, 30 states, including the District of Columbia, solely utilize the NICS system for all firearm background checks.
Once again, please click the “Take Action” button above to contact your state Senator and state Representative in support of HB 763 and SB 224.
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My thoughts: How do the citizens of those 30 states feel about the NICS system? NICS would relieve PA taxpayers of $$$$ burden of PICS? Uh, don't they pay federal taxes? And if more pile onto NICS, won't that additional burden require increased funding? Guess who pays that. NICS is a more efficient system? I don't see them giving any side-by-sides, so I don't know if or how that's accurate. It's a little alarming to read that the FBI has mental health records or access. Does that mean more detailed than having been 302'd?
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March 12th, 2017, 01:42 PM #18
Re: Is NICS a national registration system?
I'd bet the NICS is sufficiently over-funded right now , and has more capacity than PICS. PICS already uses NICS , so we'd just be eliminating the middle-man so to speak.
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March 12th, 2017, 01:42 PM #19
Re: Is NICS a national registration system?
I have no problem with eliminating the "Record of Sale" form and database. But that has nothing to do with abandoning PICS and submitting to the central authority for NICS. Eliminating the ROS is good, but constantly linking it to the spam of "replacing PICS with NICS" is deceptive. They're separate statutes.
No fan of liberty and freedom should be willing to give up local control and hand it over to the already-powerful federal government in Washington.
Every time that NICS gets it wrong, you're either going to have a wrongful approval (or 3 day delay with no determination) of a prohibited person with a gun and a paper trail to him (making criminal prosecution easy), or you're going to have to challenge a wrongful denial through the Federal court system. This is great for lawyers who will make a lot more money making a Federal case of everything, but not so great for the many folks who might have had $2K to fix a PICS issue but not $10K to fix a NICS issue.
I will point out that most Pennsylvania prohibitors can be fixed under existing Pennsylvania law, whether it's a 302 or a criminal conviction. There IS NO PATH TO RELIEF under Federal law, an involuntary commitment is forever so far as the Feds are concerned.
The old Soviet Union centralized everything in Moscow. We should have learned from their failure.Attorney Phil Kline, AKA gunlawyer001@gmail.com
Ce sac n'est pas un jouet.
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March 16th, 2017, 10:47 AM #20
Re: Is NICS a national registration system?
Sometimes people painfully regret getting what they asked for.
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