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    Default Re: Restaurants abd Bars

    Here is U.S. law:http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?p...edition=prelim

    Here is State law: http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/...&div=0&chpt=61

    There is a little bit more for both in other sections but that will keep you reading for a while. Some are complicated and some are simple. There also seems to be contradictory text in different sections but some of that is cleared up by the definitions in a particular section. I keep a link to U.S. and state code on my computer for quick reference. I think everyone should.
    Last edited by mpan72; March 6th, 2017 at 08:19 PM.
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    Default Re: Restaurants abd Bars

    Quote Originally Posted by knclark17 View Post
    http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=7582

    Off-limits places in PA and what makes them off-limits:
    1. Court Facilities - PA Title 18, Chapter 9, Subsection 913
    2a.*Grounds and buildings of Elementary and Secondary schools(K-12 grades), whether the school is private or public. Affirmed under J-S22025-16 PA Commonwealth v. Goslin, 2016**. - PA Title 18, Chapter 9, Subchapter 912 .
    2b. Within 1000ft of a school unless you have a license/permit issued by the state in which the school is located - US Title 18, Part I, Chapter 44, Subsection 922(q)
    3. Certain Department of State buildings - by regulation
    4. ****Places off-limits by Federal Law or regulation, IE: military installations(exceptions for hunting at some bases), Federal Government buildings, after the security check point in airports,etc.
    5. Any private property where a landowner, tenant or person so authorized to maintain property has asked you to leave because you are carrying, or where the property owner or tenant has placed signs or placards denoting that guns are forbidden - Title 18, Chapter 35, Subsection 3503
    6. Detention facilities, correctional institutes, or mental hospitals - Title 18, Chapter 51, Subsection 5122

    If you do not see the place in question in the list above - then its NOT off-limits in Pennsylvania. Yes, you may legally carry in a bar, tavern, club, or church in PA.
    The L-12 school is currently in court, with the higher court sending it back down to the lower court with some pretty stern language about not understanding basic English, and the court noting the legislators gave broad leeway to a person carrying a weapon for "any lawful purpose".

    The only real question IMO is if the lower court is going to ignore the higher court and send it back up, or if it is going to follow the law, now that the higher court called them out.


    I believe it also says "locked" mental facilities.
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    Default Re: Restaurants and Bars

    Quote Originally Posted by Emptymag View Post
    Oh yeah.

    Not only are you allowed to carry in a bar, you can drink while carrying.
    Not that I would recommend it, but the law does not prohibit it.

    Churches are a no-no though.


    Kidding about the church thing. Another common myth.
    OK, about thr bar/church thing, are you saying it's not OK to drink and carry in a church or just drink, or just carry at church, and does that include sacramental wine? It's so confusing!

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    Default Re: Restaurants abd Bars

    Probably right.

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    Default Re: Restaurants and Bars

    Quote Originally Posted by Emptymag View Post
    Wouldn't that be "It's a LTCF"?


    You wouldn't say I have an license to carry firearms.



    The fun never ends here!
    Hmm... I'm not sure

    If i said license it would begin with the consonant LLLLL sound as opposed to saying LTCF which begins with the vowel ELLL sound

    it would be the same as saying "I saw a elephant" instead of "I saw an elephant"





    sorry my reply was so late... i should have read all the posts between your last and this one lol

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    Default Re: Restaurants and Bars

    When I'm in Nova Scotia "A" is spelled Eh?...

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    Default Re: Restaurants abd Bars

    Quote Originally Posted by mpan72 View Post
    Here is U.S. law:http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?p...edition=prelim

    Here is State law: http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/...&div=0&chpt=61

    There is a little bit more for both in other sections but that will keep you reading for a while. Some are complicated and some are simple. There also seems to be contradictory text in different sections but some of that is cleared up by the definitions in a particular section. I keep a link to U.S. and state code on my computer for quick reference. I think everyone should.
    Can I store things on your computer besides US and state code?
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    Default Re: Restaurants abd Bars

    Thanks mpan72. briefed through it. Can't see anyplace it says where you can and can't carry. Will keep looking

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    Default Re: Restaurants abd Bars

    Quote Originally Posted by Tcme64 View Post
    Thanks mpan72. briefed through it. Can't see anyplace it says where you can and can't carry. Will keep looking

    Keep in mind that you will never, ever find any law that says that you CAN do something that is lawful.

    Doubters will commonly challenge you to "prove something is legal" by asking for proof that it is.
    It doesn't work that way.
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    Default Re: Restaurants abd Bars

    Quote Originally Posted by Tcme64 View Post
    Thanks mpan72. briefed through it. Can't see anyplace it says where you can and can't carry. Will keep looking
    As EM has pointed out, there are only laws against something and sometimes exceptions and defences to that law. There is a lot there and there are definitely some places where you can not carry. What I like to do, after getting some advise or opinions, is try to find the relevant law and read it myself. Most of the time the people here can get me to the correct portion of law and I can decide for myself what it means. Sometimes that requires some deeper research.
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