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Thread: Is Gun Ownership a Right?
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March 2nd, 2017, 11:06 AM #21Super Member
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It's interesting to me how we pick and choose what we like. Clearly our standing army is unconstitutional but we ignore that because everyone likes the military. It's right there in the federalist papers, the militia is to exist in order to prevent a standing army from forming.
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March 2nd, 2017, 11:14 AM #22Super Member
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They did not like or feel a large standing army was necessary, but a standing army is not unconstitutional.
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March 2nd, 2017, 01:00 PM #23Grand Member
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Re: Is Gun Ownership a Right?
Maybe im reading it wrong, but if you were to take that paragraph and put it into words I understand, it says basically "we dont need or want a standing army, but if we do need to have one later, its ok, because the citizens can be armed the same"... so it doesn't necessarily prohibit it, IMO.
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March 2nd, 2017, 01:13 PM #24Banned
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President Eisenhower, among others, tried to warn the American public about the military-industrial complex. The history will show that since at least the 1890's, our military has constantly been deployed somewhere outside the USA. Huge amounts of our GDP is devoted to feeding a monster that will not go back into its cage. It bankrupted the Soviet Union trying to keep up, but it has also done a great job of sucking up resources better spent on things like infrastructure.
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March 2nd, 2017, 01:22 PM #25
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Or cures of diseases. But "better spent" may be an oversimplification of the reasons these wars might be necessary or not.
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This is also in the constitution. “The Congress shall have Power To …raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years,” I guess it could just be saying they need to reauthorize every two years. Given this and the federalist papers it's pretty clear the founders did not want a standing army, they knew what they are used for. Exactly what we are using it for today. At least back then they took the spoils.
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March 2nd, 2017, 02:37 PM #27
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How can the premise that a primary reason for a national government is to defend the nation wind up being kicked left and right? Citizens can only defend on the soil beneath. We cannot ourselves group up and go overseas (such as WWII) any more than we can get all states to agree on an interstate.
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March 2nd, 2017, 03:25 PM #28Super Member
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March 2nd, 2017, 04:29 PM #29
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Yes!!
And I firmly believe it is the 2nd Amendment that protects the other Amendments and has kept the boogie man at bay since 1776Retired US Army
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March 3rd, 2017, 06:51 PM #30Grand Member
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I think the Federalist, and Anti-Federalist papers should be required reading in every school.
The concept of 'unconstitutional' has become wildly misconstrued in our current culture. The US Constitution does not provide expressed powers to have a standing army the way we do now. THAT clearly expresses the lack of 'constitutionality' of our current circumstance. And if folks were more familiar with the founding documents, that fact would be obvious.
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