Carry policies in public places.

[Manxdriver]

Once I learned the truth about "concealed carry" I no longer gave a crap if my cover garment blew open or my handgun wasn't "invisible".

IWB sucks.

That is all.

Seconded!

[free]

I presume the mall can only set the policy for the public areas of the mall, not the leased spaces (unless they PUT it in the lease). I certainly know cases where one store in a strip mall is no-guns and the others aren't, so the tenant can obviously set policy on that basis.

Malls put a lot of restrictions in their leases. You can bet good money there is a "comply with all mall regulations" clause in their leases.

oh, shop at home depot and bj's.

You shop at Home Depot for BJs? Which location is that?

Most Malls are private property. I do not think preemption has any weight on private property.

No. However, there is the "public square" doctrine that is being applied.

https://www.minnpost.com/cityscape/2...-public-spaces

The idea being that if you are a certain kind of public place, such as a mall, the public somehow requires the right to exercise certain activities on that private property that are unrelated to the desires of that private property owner. I wonder if this concept can be applied to concealed carry...or open carry for that matter.

[mpan72]

Malls put a lot of restrictions in their leases. You can bet good money there is a "comply with all mall regulations" clause in their leases.

You shop at Home Depot for BJs? Which location is that?

No. However, there is the "public square" doctrine that is being applied.

https://www.minnpost.com/cityscape/2...-public-spaces

The idea being that if you are a certain kind of public place, such as a mall, the public somehow requires the right to exercise certain activities on that private property that are unrelated to the desires of that private property owner. I wonder if this concept can be applied to concealed carry...or open carry for that matter.

Is there some law pertaining to Pa. in there. Not being a prick or facetious, I just don't understand your point as it relates to my post which you quoted.

[free]

Is there some law pertaining to Pa. in there. Not being a prick or facetious, I just don't understand your point as it relates to my post which you quoted.

No.

[mpan72]

No.

OK.

[fallenleader]

Most Malls are private property. I do not think preemption has any weight on private property.

"but if it's public" inferring that when you are at a township building with a no gun sign, in a township park. recycling center. etc. public properties.
you still leave when asked, but come back with vengeance. (when the courts are in our favor)

Going to the mall, movies etc. I just wear a fanny pack holster. The look I get is not "Oh shit that guy has a gun" instead it is "look at the chubby old guy with a fanny pack, damn he's cute."

i find them uncomfortable but otherwise +1 it changes your entire appearance, much less threatening with one. especially if you have yourself a nice white flat billed baseball cap.

You shop at Home Depot for BJs? Which location is that?

aisle 12, next to the plungers. -_- i was saying HD and BJ's are both typically firearm friendly.

to the IWB guy, yes it sucks. keeps it tighter to your side than OWB but is less comfortable. trade that "hanging" feeling for pressure points on your ass cheek and hip. desantis leather here.

[mpan72]

Gotcha, assumed that you were implying malls were public property.

[fallenleader]

Gotcha, assumed that you were implying malls were public property.

god no. please fence them off and close them down. haven't seen a mall "thriving" since the 90's. why are there still so many of those atrocities?

[KCJones]

Most Malls are private property. I do not think preemption has any weight on private property.

He said "but when it's public property, come back with a lawyer and raise hell on them. preemption and all."

That statement in and of itself is accurate.

However you're right about malls and private property and pre-emption not applying, and I do think he's confusing 'open to the public' and 'public property' (i.e. implying malls are 'public property', which they aren't) and your point needed to be made.

But IF a place is in fact 'public property' and carry is not statutorily barred at the state level (i.e. courthouses), then I do NOT think "just leave if you're asked" applies.

It might still be wise to leave if asked, depending on the context and who's asking. A misinformed cop telling me to leave, I'd probably go rather than try to 'convince' him (after noting his badge for a subsequent complaint). Some yutz tells me "hey man, you better leave before someone notices your gun, there's no guns allowed in state parks" or similar... not so much. (I'd probably say something like, "Thanks for your concern, but it's okay, I have a firearms license" and leave it at that...)

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PS - While I wrote this, subsequent posts make it clear fallenleader was NOT mistaking 'open to the public' and 'public property'... Had I properly remembered it was him I was referencing, I'd have known better. Sorry FL.

[fallenleader]

PS - While I wrote this, subsequent posts make it clear fallenleader was NOT mistaking 'open to the public' and 'public property'... Had I properly remembered it was him I was referencing, I'd have known better. Sorry FL.

in the language of the democrats. de nada.
Edit:yeah... gotta work on that. no problem, thanks.