When did the weaver stance die?

[zachomega]

A few days ago, I was watching a video with Jerry miculek and he talked at great length about how none of the competitive shooters use the weaver stance anymore and how they use more of an isosceles stance.

Just a few years ago, everything I would find online was weaver stance. After reviewing more videos, I am prone to agree with Jerry that none of the top shooters are using a weaver stance.

I tried shooting in the isosceles stance and I was actually impressed by how much faster I could shoot. However, my body still wants to revert to weaver.

This got me thinking, in a self defense situation, making myself smaller (as in the weaver stance) or being faster buy more exposed (isosceles stance). There is no right or wrong.

Any thoughts?

-Zach

[EZ3]

The people who study LEO-involved shooting incidents determined that in life-threatening situations training tends to go out the window and primal instinct takes over, including squaring up on the threat to get our eyes and our hands in a better orientation for self defense. Hence training went to isosceles over Weaver, even though Weaver has some advantages, especially for cross-dominant shooters like myself.

[zachomega]

Pardon my ignorance, but could you please explain cross dominant shooting?

Thanks,
-Zach

[Pilot321]

Pardon my ignorance, but could you please explain cross dominant shooting?

Thanks,
-Zach

Right handed, yet left eye dominant, and vice versa.

[JAKIII]

Right handed, yet left eye dominant, and vice versa.

That'd be me... and also the reason I suck at trap.

[Gunsnwater]

That'd be me... and also the reason I suck at trap.

Close your left eye. Find a gun that fits. Use the bead. Keep your right eye open (don't flinch) and call your shot. For us cross dominants the standard how to shoot a shotgun is worthless. Both eyes open, point don't aim. Hogwash for us. If you can not tell why you missed or hit, it becomes a lottery.

[EZ3]

I'm right-handed and my left eye is dominant, meaning that is the "stronger" eye. For best results with iron sights, a shooter should align the sights in front of the dominant eye. In the isosceles stance, this means presenting the pistol slightly to the left of where a right eye dominant shooter would. The Weaver stance (for a righty) puts the left eye forward, this seems to make sight alignment easier for me, less tendency to present in front of the right eye or somewhere between the two. Of course, thousands of reps in dry-fire training would work, too. But I'm lazy.

[scruff]

I like the Weaver stance. Having trained in Taekwondo, I'm comfortable in a bladed fighting stance. Isosceles might be better for pure shooting, but a self-defense situation can also involve movement and physical contact. A fighting stance is more stable if you're punched or pushed. It's easier to push off to step to the rear. It keeps the holster farther out of reach of someone facing you, and puts your support hand in a better position to push an attacker away while drawing. It makes the gun harder for the attacker to reach when shooting from retention. I can see both sides, but this makes sense for me.

[bogey1]

Never heard of it, but thats how I stand.

[PAcarrier]

I'm right-handed and my left eye is dominant, meaning that is the "stronger" eye. For best results with iron sights, a shooter should align the sights in front of the dominant eye. In the isosceles stance, this means presenting the pistol slightly to the left of where a right eye dominant shooter would. The Weaver stance (for a righty) puts the left eye forward, this seems to make sight alignment easier for me, less tendency to present in front of the right eye or somewhere between the two. Of course, thousands of reps in dry-fire training would work, too. But I'm lazy.

Have you considered the CAR (Center Axis Relock) method? It takes advantage of cross-dominance while being a smaller presentation.

http://www.sabretactical.com/index.html

Sorry to derail, OP.