Open carriers walk into a police station in Michigan.

[Emptymag]

As I watched and listened to the things the prosecution cherry picked from their conversation, it was clear that while some of the things are legitimately concerning, other things said were obviously in jest, or at a minimum, not as the prosecution presented them.

A pretty good reminder of how things said in jest "online" can still be used against you.
I'm pretty positive that I could be made out to be more evil than the combined forces of IS1S by picking and choosing from posts I've made here.

[streaker69]

As I watched and listened to the things the prosecution cherry picked from their conversation, it was clear that while some of the things are legitimately concerning, other things said were obviously in jest, or at a minimum, not as the prosecution presented them.

A pretty good reminder of how things said in jest "online" can still be used against you.
I'm pretty positive that I could be made out to be more evil than the combined forces of IS1S by picking and choosing from posts I've made here.

If you think that jokes fall flat on the forum due to no inflection, imagine that same text being read in a court of law in Ben Stein monotone, or worse yet, with incorrect emphasis.

[scruff]

Well, this is an interesting development. Dearborn PD deserves a "drama queens" trophy. They knew these guys were coming, so they put on an act.


Report: Dearborn Cops Tracked Open Carriers Via Social Media Before Police Station Arrests
Dan Zimmerman
March 18, 2017
thetruthaboutguns.com/

Reader John Dingell III writes:

There has been an interesting development in the case of two individuals who were arrested for open carry in the anteroom of the Dearborn, Michigan Police Department headquarters. Two men from central Michigan were arrested for entering the DPD headquarters building while carrying, and filming themselves while doing so. They were reportedly using open carry to protest what they believed was a bogus traffic stop which went down earlier in Dearborn.

These two have been abandoned by Michigan’s open carry movement due to the allegation that they were using open carry to protest something entirely unrelated to Second Amendment rights, but it doesn’t appear that their actions actually violated Michigan law.

At least one of the two was wearing ‘body armor’, which added to the provocative nature of their actions. Carry in police stations is actually not prohibited by Michigan law. In fact, it is a violation of Michigan law to prohibit firearms in a police station outside of secured areas.

Now we have a remarkable discovery from Nicholas Somberg, the defense attorney for Brandon Vreeland of Jackson: the Dearborn Police secretly monitored the two ‘Second Amendment activists’ and essentially ambushed both men as they were filming themselves walking into the Dearborn Police headquarters.

From yesterday’s free.com article:

A lawyer says Dearborn police, using Facebook profile name “Olivia,” secretly monitored a network of Second Amendment activists and ambushed two men who filmed themselves walking into police headquarters last month.

Nicholas Somberg, who represents 40-year-old Brandon Vreeland of Jackson, said the Feb. 5 incident was a “political witch hunt” as his client and James Baker, 24, of Leonard, Mich., were arrested. In a YouTube video, Baker can be seen in a black ski mask with a short-barreled rifle slung over his chest and a semi-automatic pistol strapped to his hip; Vreeland had on body armor but left his gun in the car, instead bringing along cameras to videotape the encounter that was about to take place.

“After the discovery, it is very clear that Dearborn (police) knew that they were coming, knew who they were, and planned the ambush,” Somberg said. “It’s not that they were reacting to a situation they thought was going to be violent. They actually knew it was not violent, knew who they were, and just wanted to teach these guys a lesson.”

Dearborn Police Chief Ronald Haddad didn’t immediately respond Friday to a Free Press request for comment.

Somberg is building an entrapment case on behalf of Vreeland, with First and Second Amendment kickers. It is important to note here that the reported actions of Vreeland and Baker did not violate Michigan law; the only possible valid legal charges against them would have to be based on intent.

The novelty of this case is the use of a police department’s social media monitoring department against gun owners engaged in seemingly legal activities. It is quite likely that the traffic stop which precipitated this incident was indeed bogus and the illegal fruit of social media monitoring.

Dearborn Police Chief Ronald Haddad is profoundly anti-gun. He has also faced a lot of scrutiny for the ‘shoot first’ culture of his department, and is facing a number of lawsuits for police shootings of Detroiters (black Detroit city residents who have strayed into Dearborn). He also has a lot of social turmoil going on within his department. The question is whether Haddad set this up this incident for its propaganda value.

It has long been known that NYPD has a social media group staffed with over 100 people ostensibly spying on terrorists, but they actually work at keeping gang bangers off balance, too. It appears that Dearborn PD also has a social media section. Note here that Dearbornistan has a very large Arab/Muslim population, so the DPD social media team is probably also funded by the feds (DHS).

Gun owners should probably be made aware that big brother is watching them on social media, at least in DHS-funded cities. BATFE also seems to be monitoring social media to make ‘dealing without a license’ cases here in Michigan, but this is a developing story and more information is needed to make this one newsworthy.

[ungawa]

Oh, this is beautiful. In addition to two complete idiots, we have a bunch of cops that are happy to completely put people's lives at risk simply to make their point and defend their pride.

Put all of them against the wall. I'm getting sick and tired of both douchebags and government employees. This kind of crap did not used to happen. And the blame does not fall squarely on these two idiots, they at least had no intention of putting innocent people's lives in peril from what I can tell. Unlike the cops who did.

[bogey1]

government employees

You hit the nail right on the head.

WAY too many of them.

[FJW]

You hit the nail right on the head.

WAY too many of them.

I'm kind of taken aback by how many of them obviously dont even speak English as a first language and are unbelievably arrogant toward innocent people. Dulles Airport is crawling with them.

[bogey1]

I'm kind of taken aback by how many of them obviously dont even speak English as a first language and are unbelievably arrogant toward innocent people. Dulles Airport is crawling with them.

Its the NWO. The plan is to have a HUGE government employer. S for them speaking english,
that would be racist for them to have to learn. Remember, the people that were born here from LEGAL parents,
have less rights than them.

[FJW]

Its the NWO. The plan is to have a HUGE government employer. S for them speaking english,
that would be racist for them to have to learn. Remember, the people that were born here from LEGAL parents,
have less rights than them.

My wife and I come back from travelling abroad, sometimes landing at Dulles. Nothing like returning to your own country and being given a demoralizing once-over by some korean with lousy english wearing jack-boots and a flak-jacket and a TSA or HS badge.

Edit: ....or the punkass African kid (with lousy English) at the Dulles coffee shop who tries to convince you you gave him a 10 when it was a 20, then gives you a line of BS that there's no manager around to fix it. That was yet another wonderful experience I had there that took 20 minutes of standing around with diarrhea cramps, relentlessly demanding the money he owed me.

[fallenleader]

i wonder how many of those 1 and 0 post users are watching us here...
and whether our mods are watching them... be interesting to find that every IP is traced and suspect ones are monitored for browsing and posting activity.

[Emptymag]

I'm not entirely convinced that the police in the station at the time those two walked in were "acting".

I can understand that these guys were being "watched", but how would the police know WHEN those two were going to walk in? I doubt they did.

The attorney's job is to clear his clients, thus it's entirely possible that HIS story is bullshit as it pertains to the actual reaction of the officers who reacted to two armed men entering the station that day.