Reasonable right to privacy?

[Bmaninmifco]

What is everyone's thoughts.

Personally I can understand a background check without submitting my SSN.
I don't have to submit one for my LTCF.

But what about fingerprinting to me that seems like asking a little much to be a volunteer. Ecspecially since not everyone in America has been fingerprinted granted a majority has either as children upon joining the military or being arrested. But they are over 350 million people in this country so I wouldn't say the percentage is over 35 who have been.

As a side note do you believe that privacy should be a right.
There's some gray area there. But it's not guaranteed.

[adymond]

It depends what you are volunteering to do. I think privacy extends to your actions within the law of the land. Once you begin to operate outside those laws the expectation to privacy should be none. That does not mean that suspicion of actions outside the law forefits your right to privacy, but you just should not expect it beyond that point.

Personally I would like to think as long as my actions are not impeding the life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness of another I should be able to continue acting in that way.

[shefearsnothing]

Oh, I remember in chat not too long ago someone saying that they thought it was wrong that criminals (no matter what kind...even sex offenders) should not have their stuff on the net. I guess because there were links posted here about how you could see where criminals lived in relation to you and what their crimes were etc. Now personally where criminals and their crimes are concerned I think I disagree with what that person said. If you commit a crime and are convicted then you don't have any right to privacy as far as your crimes. I think everyone around you has every right to know if they're interested. If my neighbor is a sex offender you're damn right I want to know about it and I sure as hell hope anyone bringing their kids here for me to watch all day long wants to look up the neighbors too! I mean, I don't let the kids alone outside (my own can play right out front, yes but not anyone else's because they're too young) and I don't have the neighbors over here doing my job but that doesn't mean anything. People are freaking CRAZY and you never know WHAT they might do!


I absolutely HATE giving out my SSN. I HATE that the dr's office asks for it. I HATE that 'script companies as for it. I HATE that hospitals ask for it. I HATE when I see it on ANY piece of paperwork. I remember that it was on some form that I had to return to the HS for my son. He's no in HS but they are the ones who check up on any student using a cyber charter school. Anyway, I wrote right on there that I was NOT putting that on any piece of paper that was just going to be floating through the mail like that!!!! I never heard anything from them either. I think they just ask for it assuming people will comply and give it to them. My mom REFUSES to give it to any dr's office. They have told her that is what they use to ID patients and she's like WTF!!!?

I also hate the sign in sheets at the dr's offices. (can you tell I am a BIG fan of drs and the privacy there?) My mother told me a few months ago that supposedly they aren't even ALLOWED to use them anymore but our kids' ped and the regular family dr my husband and I use STILL use them. Every time I want to just walk up to the window and say "um...I'm not signing this but we're here..." I know they black it out but I've walked up there LOTS of times and seen people's names NOT blacked out and even the ones that are you can STILL read. It IS a violation of HIPPA. They also sit there and yell out all of your information so everyone in the waiting room can hear it. I always tell them IMMEDIATELY it's ALL the same. NOTHING has changed and they look at me and say "well I still have to verify it." and I'm like "well how about you don't shout it so everyone in the next county can hear you?"

I have gone through the drive thru at the bank before and come home and looked at my reciept after making a deposit and found that they put my money in someone else's account. There I had someone else's name, address, and ACCOUNT number! Another time they withdrew someone else's check they had written from MY account. I look at my account online every few days and so I was like wtf? check number 1000 and something? I'm only in the 300's!!? (rarely write checks) so I click on the check number and look at it and of course it was someone else's check. Well again, I have someone's name, address, their phone number AND DL# was printed on their checks AND of course their account number. And still, another time recently when I went to deposit a check instead of taking it OUT of the account of the person who wrote it they put it IN that person's account and gave me a reciept with all of their information on it. I had learned by then to check my reciepts before pulling away though so I had them correct that right away. Seriously, if I was into identity theft though....I coulda been shopping! Oh yeah, I think every one of those tellers still works there. I guess that isn't so much "privacy" but I think there should be a little more discretion used when they are doing this stuff. It used to be when I made deposits even if my name was on the checks I was depositing they STILL had me TELL them my name etc. I think to "check" themselves.

[Bmaninmifco]

SFN good points. Criminals can expect no privacy. They lose all rights anyways.
The Websites you are talking about well guess what the courts say how long a sex offender must register as one so they can expect not to. Now even after they don't have to register a proper background check should bring it up if it doesn't guess what change your system. To me my fingerprints are the same as my SSN. Technology has come so far in the last few years that alot of things now are coming out that can only be unlocked using my fingerprint. Would you hand over the keys to your house just because someone said you had to to volunteer.
That's why I ask about facial recognition software Vegas already uses that to identify known cheats as soon as they enter the casino even if they are in disguise. Are we going to put that into the schools and hospitals as well now with all criminals now being subjected to having they're face put into a database.

Should you be subjected to having your photograph taken and run against that database just because you walk into a school.
When did innocent til proven guilty get tossed out the window and we ended up as a society of guilty the checks come back.

Society has been beseiged by criminals throughout history. Anyone ever hear of Jack the Ripper or the Marques De Sade? The difference is back then they knew how to deal with them not treat the innocent as criminals.

[adymond]

If you are entering private property (such as a casino or a private school) you have only the privacy they grant you. If they have a facial recognition system you should be notified, but you can not expect privacy.

[Bmaninmifco]

If you are entering private property (such as a casino or a private school) you have only the privacy they grant you. If they have a facial recognition system you should be notified, but you can not expect privacy.

The ones in casino's I believe the pictures come from their black book.
I use that more to point out that it is amazing as to how far technology has come in even the last few years.

Retinal eye scans have been in vogue for a few years. Fingerprint locks are coming into fruition.

RFID technology is now used by BMW to personalize billboards to claim you have a nice car.

Technology is moving at such a quick pace that the simple act of giving someone you fingerprints will now give them the keys to your house, computer, briefcase or maybe even your car.

[adymond]

Technology is moving at such a quick pace that the simple act of giving someone you fingerprints will now give them the keys to your house, computer, briefcase or maybe even your car.

Only so long as you exclusively use those hightech means to secure your personal effects. I would always back security up with a hard lowtech means. That's why I lock my doors and such, but keep a firearm handy.

[jud4420]

Im pretty sure its Cambria county jail was making everyone get retinal scans for a while. I havent heard if they still do though.

But i would think fingerprints are private just like dna. They cant get it without a warrant unless you leave them somewhere. Than they are free to collect them. But prior to you leaving them somewhere, they have no standing to require you hand them over, prints or dna.




Heres a link to the criminal history record information act handbook i mentioned in the other thread. Chapter 2 covers protected information (protected from general public) but not Private info.

http://attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedF...rime/chria.pdf

[PisnNapalm]

Sort of on topic::

Yesterday my son brought home a paper stating that the elementary school would be utilizing a "biometric finger scanning identification program" for use in the cafeteria and library.

They said that no actual fingerprint is stored but just a "template" of the fingerprint. They also state that once the child leaves the school system the template would be deleted and that the stored information would not be shared with any agency, governmental or otherwise.

I sent a letter in with my son this morning stating that he will not be participating in this program. If I hear that he's been asked to use the scanner I'll be at the school as fast as I can. No one is storing his prints unless I say so, or he chooses to as an adult.

end of rant.

[adymond]

Is it a public or private school? I think that matters a bit.