MTN Jack ARRESTED for OC near Obama rally site!

[gnbrotz]

Greg, if you have facts or information on this that haven't been posted, please share (unless it is something confidential).

I've shared what I can at this point.

The whole point of the is thread is to find out what happened.

Understood. But guessing and debating 'maybes' serves no purpose.

Do you have something to back up your claim that the news article are incorrect?

Yes.

I'd love to hear it. I'm not trying to call you out, 'cause I frankly have a great deal of respect for you, but we can only react based on the information we have.

Understood. I'll rely on my reputation to help guide folks on whether they should believe me or not. There are going to be times when I can specifically refute something, even though I can't make the supporting facts public. If that's not good enough for someone, too bad. My main concern is a positive outcome for Jack.

I understand this is still a developing situation, and the initial reports concerning what happened may prove to be in error, and I'll continue to update the original post as new facts develop.

Very true. Hopefully, Rich will have another (minor) update later today.

[normanvin]

Norman,

How about sending him a link to this thread? He is flat out wrong on both points in this latest e-mail.

Done........

[headcase]

That's an asinine thing to say.

Anybody who wishes that vile disease on somebody is truly a jerkoff.

My dearest friend, age 45, just lost a battle with acinic cell cancer last month.

Here is an idea for you, make a list of all the things that, if posted, may possibly offend you due to some personal circumstance, then post it. Then you can get doubly irate when I ignore them. Just for the record, you and your friend mean nothing to me, I didn't know your friend, and I don't know you.... I'll save the rest of this post for a different thread, so as not to detract further from the focus.... I hope you get another vacation soon

[Mondain]

If you don't already know about Obama's profound Liberalism or about the Democratic party's Liberal platform and you need to listen to his speech in order to be dazzled by his BS, perhaps you should sit out this year's election.

Other way around.

If you can only hear your party's side, and refuse to even listen to what the other has to say, maybe YOU should be the one sitting out.

[headcase]

If MTN Jack does get cited for an offense, they will most likely try something from this code.

USC Title 18, Section 1752

Sec. 1752. Temporary residences and offices of the President and
others


(a) It shall be unlawful for any person or group of persons -

(1) willfully and knowingly to enter or remain in

(i) any building or grounds designated by the Secretary of

the Treasury as temporary residences of the President or other

person protected by the Secret Service or as temporary offices

of the President and his staff or of any other person protected

by the Secret Service, or

(ii) any posted, cordoned off, or otherwise restricted area

of a building or grounds where the President or other person

protected by the Secret Service is or will be temporarily

visiting,
in violation of the regulations governing ingress or egress
thereto:

(2) with intent to impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of
Government business or official functions, to engage in
disorderly or disruptive conduct in, or within such proximity to,
any building or grounds designated in paragraph (1) when, or so
that, such conduct, in fact, impedes or disrupts the orderly
conduct of Government business or official functions;

(3) willfully and knowingly to obstruct or impede ingress or
egress to or from any building, grounds, or area designated or
enumerated in paragraph (1); or

(4) willfully and knowingly to engage in any act of physical
violence against any person or property in any building, grounds,
or area designated or enumerated in paragraph (1).
(b) Violation of this section, and attempts or conspiracies to
commit such violations, shall be punishable by a fine under this
title or imprisonment not exceeding six months, or both.
(c) Violation of this section, and attempts or conspiracies to
commit such violations, shall be prosecuted by the United States
attorney in the Federal district court having jurisdiction of the
place where the offense occurred.
(d) The Secretary of the Treasury is authorized -

(1) to designate by regulations the buildings and grounds which
constitute the temporary residences of the President or other
person protected by the Secret Service and the temporary offices
of the President and his staff or of any other person protected
by the Secret Service, and

(2) to prescribe regulations governing ingress or egress to
such buildings and grounds and to posted, cordoned off, or
otherwise restricted areas where the President or other person
protected by the Secret Service is or will be temporarily
visiting.
(e) None of the laws of the United States or of the several
States and the District of Columbia shall be superseded by this
section.
(f) As used in this section, the term "other person protected by
the Secret Service" means any person whom the United States Secret
Service is authorized to protect under section 3056 of this title
when such person has not declined such protection.

It bears repeating, in case it was missed, that section e of this lovely little section of code, states that this code SHALL NOT SUPERSEDE any state, federal, or D.C. law.

[RedKnightt]

Hopefully, Rich will have another (minor) update later today.

On a humorous note, every time I see someone say Rich/PA Patriot is on it, I just feel like Jules in "Pulp Fiction":

"You're sending the Wolf?"

We know the pros are on the case

[P-11 shooter]

On a humorous note, every time I see someone say Rich/PA Patriot is on it, I just feel like Jules in "Pulp Fiction":

"You're sending the Wolf?"

Well shit, that's all you had to say.

[gnbrotz]

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08243/908351-100.stm

Industry man contests arrest outside Obama rally
Saturday, August 30, 2008
By Milan Simonich, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

A Beaver County man who routinely wears a pistol on his hip says he was illegally arrested by local law officers before a rally for Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama.

"I am a threat to no one. Mr. Obama doesn't trump my constitutional rights. The president of the United States doesn't trump my constitutional rights," said John Noble, who was handcuffed, questioned for about two hours and then told by state police that he would receive two citations for disorderly conduct.

Mr. Noble, 50, of Industry, said he wore a holstered Glock 19 when he entered the park across the street from the Beaver County Courthouse more than an hour before Mr. Obama arrived for a campaign appearance Friday night.

"I had a Bible in one hand and an apple in the other. I was going to pass out my fliers [on the rights of law-abiding Americans to carry guns], but I never got the chance."

State police in Beaver County referred questions about Mr. Noble's arrest to Trooper Shawn Schexnaildre, of New Castle, who was part of the law enforcement detail in the park. The trooper, who was to begin his shift later today, could not be reached immediately for comment.

Jim Gehr, agent in charge of the U.S. Secret Service field office in Pittsburgh, said the federal agency did not file any charges against Mr. Noble.

"Our people did talk to him. He never entered the event area," Agent Gehr said.

Mr. Noble said four or five law officers, plus a police dog, descended on him after somebody reported that he was wearing a pistol on his hip. He said they held him for 40 minutes in a Secret Service vehicle, then took him to the Beaver barracks of the state police for questioning. After being cuffed and shackled, he said, police eventually read him his rights. They also confiscated his pistol.

"Didn't even give me a receipt for it. There were lots of violations of my constitutional rights," Mr. Noble said,

After his arrest, his wife, Janet, handed out his fliers on citizens' rights to carry guns.

Mr. Noble said he had not decided whether to support Mr. Obama or Republican John McCain in the presidential election. He said he hoped Mr. Obama would call him to affirm the right of a law-abiding man to carry a pistol while a presidential contender visited.

Mr. Noble, a former body guard, said he used to carry his pistol in his clothing. But, he said, he has openly worn his handgun in a secure holster for the last four or five years. Nobody ever bothered him before, he said. He said he sometimes is asked why he carries a gun, and he explains that it is his constitutional right. In a practical sense, he said, he arms himself for protection.

He said he has a lawyer and may bring a lawsuit over his treatment by police.

First published on August 30, 2008 at 1:04 pm

[RocketFoot]

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08243/908351-100.stm

Seems like a decent, well written article! For once, the law abiding citizen is the victim!

[Pa. Patriot]

I've modified the thread title. Other than the quoted news article, the thread over on OCDO makes no mention of him being "at the rally".
Sure. Entering or attempting to enter a SS security perimeter while armed is a far different matter than being legally armed in the same state/county/town/block as a presidential candidate.
I'm not concerned with Jack's actions (and I've noted the inaccuracy in the OP). I'm concerned at the leaps that are already being made without any facts to back them up. If this is happening amongst a community who would be presumed to be supporters, imagine how much it will be magnified by those looking for any available opportunity to further vilify gun owners.

It shouldn't be surprising if Jack makes no public comment on the actual events of last evening. There will also be some who have more specific info which they cannot post publicly, though they may be able to correct false assertions.

Words choice is important. Facts are important. We will likely get alot of traffic from this incident, so it's important that any clear inaccuracies be corrected as soon as possible, so they do not spread. We want to be a source of awareness and support, not a vehicle for rumor and innuendo.

Quoting WHOLE post because everyone needs to please read it and take heed to it.

Jack was NOT in the "secured" area, regardless what the reporter claims.
There simply is no applicable criminal statute that would apply to Jack passing out flyers on public property, while openly armed, outside a "rally". Obama or no Obama.

Hello,

I was at the rally in Irvine park in Beaver PA. The Zip code for beaver is 15009. I checked google maps and the location where they are stating mtn jack as detained(arrested) was NOT in the area where secret service was doing searches. Please let me know if there is anything I can do. I can make phone calls, talk to people and I have let my family know what he did was not illegal

PM sent, thanks for offering local help.

Truth.
No matter what "shitstorm" happens behind the scenes, THIS is what was seen by the NATION.
Man Brought Gun, Bible To Obama Event...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26464328/


When you hear family and co-workers talking about that guy who "took a gun to the Obama rally", remember to politely explain why, even though it "makes sense", what happened to Mtn Jack was wrong.
They won't likely believe you, nor will many of them actually care about their constitutional rights, but to remain silent isn't going to help anyone. Except those bent on destroying this country.

Thank you, EM, for pointing this out. This is very important that we try and make sure that this story is reported accurately.

As I said prior, Mtn Jack was simply doing what he does regularly, in his town, within the law. The police, the PSP and the SS acted illegally and are the ones that shall face legal consequences. Stay tuned, we are working round the clock (literally) on a plan of action for this right now.

I got a response from the aurthor.


-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Vidonic Bill" <BVidonic@timesonline.com>

> 1) I believe he WAS in a security zone, actually.

Mike Stollenwerk has contacted the author on his inaccuracies and I am doing that myself next as well.