LEOSA and NJ?

[abner13]

NJSP. He says he's been stopped on the way back from the casinos for speeding , and when he shows his badge , they ask if he's armed. When he says yes , they go into defense mode , want to see his gun and have told him he can't have hollow-points.

[Steve in PA]

NJSP. He says he's been stopped on the way back from the casinos for speeding , and when he shows his badge , they ask if he's armed. When he says yes , they go into defense mode , want to see his gun and have told him he can't have hollow-points.

It's because the NJSP are uneducated or just plain ignorant of LEOSA. Anyone covered under LEOSA is allowed to carry any ammo not prohibited by the NFA. This means HP is legal. If they want to make an issue about it, they will loose and the LEOSA covered officer will have a check issued in his name.

I have to look for the court case, but I remember reading one in favor of the LEOSA covered officer where the judge, basically reamed the department for trying to jam up the LEOSA covered officer. If I recall correctly, he pretty much said crap is going to start flowing uphill if stuff like this happens again. In other words, the higher ups were going to be held liable for not properly training their officers.

I've been going to NY and NJ for 18+ years when taking LE firearms training courses. While none of the attendees have been NJSP, there has been numerous local NJ and NY police there. In conversations it seems NJSP is behind the curve. Whether this is by purpose or ignorance is open for discussion.

[Carson]

Interesting. All of the encounters I have had with the NJSP were very professional. I worry more about the small summertime cops in the resort towns. I also make sure to never carry in the casino's and set the cruise control five over the limit and enjoy the ride.

I know it sometimes takes alwhile for the memo to get to the bottom of the chain (just look at Philly PD and Open Carry). But I would think the Hollow Point issue would be an easy one to rectify.

[Bang]

Originally signed into law by Bush II on July 22nd, 2004, tweaked twice since. LEOSA allows NJSP or a PRNJ officer to carry throughout the country where allowed. Since it affects each personally, it seems pretty impossible to be behind the curve. However, an officer cannot acquire a LEOSA license if his/her chief refuses to do his/her part. It's possible that NJSP have that problem, and as a result are unfamiliar.

I knew a retired NJSP Lt. For a few years (back in the 1990s) he could not get a NJ carry license. The reason was the state was telling SP firearms instructors that they would be on their own if anyone they helped to license got into trouble with a gun and a resulting legal action reached back to them. The instructors were afraid to expose themselves to the possibility, so no one got any licenses. It took a few years, but that shit was finally straightened out, somehow. To what extent, I don't know.

Point being, NJ brain-washes their law enforcers as well as their subjects and deliberately causes hurdles to supplant laws they do not like. This same M.O. is apparent in other states with similar attitudes. It's almost as though they are trying to hold off the feds with states' rights.

[JenniferG]

Why the eff do people still deal with New Jersey like it's part of the United States and under the constraints of the US Constitution? New Jersey has decided it has seceded from the Union and is it's own entity that is no longer bound to the US Constitution.

[Carson]

Originally signed into law by Bush II on July 22nd, 2004, tweaked twice since. LEOSA allows NJSP or a PRNJ officer to carry throughout the country where allowed. Since it affects each personally, it seems pretty impossible to be behind the curve. However, an officer cannot acquire a LEOSA license if his/her chief refuses to do his/her part. It's possible that NJSP have that problem, and as a result are unfamiliar.

I knew a retired NJSP Lt. For a few years (back in the 1990s) he could not get a NJ carry license. The reason was the state was telling SP firearms instructors that they would be on their own if anyone they helped to license got into trouble with a gun and a resulting legal action reached back to them. The instructors were afraid to expose themselves to the possibility, so no one got any licenses. It took a few years, but that shit was finally straightened out, somehow. To what extent, I don't know.

Point being, NJ brain-washes their law enforcers as well as their subjects and deliberately causes hurdles to supplant laws they do not like. This same M.O. is apparent in other states with similar attitudes. It's almost as though they are trying to hold off the feds with states' rights.

I just asked a few guys here if we could carry hollowpoints in NJ. All said "are you kidding, no!" So there you go.

[Carson]

Why the eff do people still deal with New Jersey like it's part of the United States and under the constraints of the US Constitution? New Jersey has decided it has seceded from the Union and is it's own entity that is no longer bound to the US Constitution.

Because there is much more to this great country than just Pennsylvania. I refuse to restrict myself and get emotionally hell bent over things I can't control and have very little effect on me.

[Daycrawler]

Interesting. All of the encounters I have had with the NJSP were very professional. I worry more about the small summertime cops in the resort towns. I also make sure to never carry in the casino's and set the cruise control five over the limit and enjoy the ride.

I know it sometimes takes alwhile for the memo to get to the bottom of the chain (just look at Philly PD and Open Carry). But I would think the Hollow Point issue would be an easy one to rectify.

I have never been pulled over in the People Republic of New Germany, however I have seen the summertime Nazi crew in action. Lets just say minimal training is required and here's your gun and badge. They completely missed the mark on how to treat people like human beings. While at a training seminar in a Casino we were reminded to not carry on the Casino floor. They were very specific about the Casino floor. That would be any place children were not allowed. So when we went out and about we made sure to stay out off the gambling floor. I carried everyplace else concealed. I did notice a guy OC when we were registering for our rooms. I didn't see any jack boots across his neck and I was quite surprised.

I just asked a few guys here if we could carry hollowpoints in NJ. All said "are you kidding, no!" So there you go.

It takes a few good lawsuits for some states and departments to get the message.

[Bang]

Want free hollow-point ammo? Drive over a bridge from Pa to NJ. As soon as you can find a place on the shoulder to park, pull over. If able, make your way down to the ground below.

[c45man]

[QUOTE=Carson;3618824]I just asked a few guys here if we could carry hollowpoints in NJ. All said "are you kidding, no!" So there you go.

Apparently the few guys do not know that when the LEO Safety Act was rewritten, their was a caveat in the Act which defined ammunition, for the purpose of the act, as any ammunition that is not restricted by Federal Law. Hollow points do not fall under Federal law.

On a side note, I am not aware of any system in place to qualify N.J. retired officers under LEOSA. N.J. will qualify and issue state permits to their retired officers until they reach the age of 70. This according to a retired NJSP Lt.