SBR in car/truck

**GunLawyer001** · October 21st, 2016, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by streaker69

Which form do I fill out if I wanted to SBR this?

or if I were to replace the chainsaw with a shotgun and I wanted to short the shotgun, would that be one form or two?

It doesn't stand for "Saw Below Rifle", dude....

On a related note, I wonder what kind of mayhem you CAN do to a firearm, before Pennsylvania's Prohibited Offensive Weapons statute kicks in despite the firearm exemption.

". . . or other implement for the infliction of serious bodily injury which serves no common lawful purpose."

(3) This section shall not apply to any person who makes, repairs, sells or otherwise deals in, uses or possesses any firearm for purposes not prohibited by the laws of this Commonwealth.

**streaker69** · October 21st, 2016, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by GunLawyer001

It doesn't stand for "Saw Below Rifle", dude....

On a related note, I wonder what kind of mayhem you CAN do to a firearm, before Pennsylvania's Prohibited Offensive Weapons statute kicks in despite the firearm exemption.

". . . or other implement for the infliction of serious bodily injury which serves no common lawful purpose."

(3) This section shall not apply to any person who makes, repairs, sells or otherwise deals in, uses or possesses any firearm for purposes not prohibited by the laws of this Commonwealth.

A chainsaw does serve a common lawful purpose, it's mean for cutting wood. I just want to be able to protect myself while being a lumberjack.

**fallenleader** · October 21st, 2016, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by streaker69

Which form do I fill out if I wanted to SBR this?

or if I were to replace the chainsaw with a shotgun and I wanted to short the shotgun, would that be one form or two?

i have no clue what that would cost or how many forms... but i do want.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAC_Masterkey
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M26_Mo...Shotgun_System

**GunLawyer001** · October 21st, 2016, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by fallenleader

i have no clue what that would cost or how many forms... but i do want.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAC_Masterkey
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M26_Mo...Shotgun_System

$400 in stamps. About $25-30K for the MG and SBS. Plus chiropractic fees.

**fallenleader** · October 21st, 2016, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by GunLawyer001

$400 in stamps. About $25-30K for the MG and SBS. Plus chiropractic fees.

well. if it were just a sbr semi auto and the sbs which is a bolt. it'd cut the cost down but it would not be exactly what i posted a photo of.

so it would technically be both an sbr and an sbs.
what about a combo gun like those that fire a .410 and a .45, if you went shorty on one of them, what would it be? sbr or sbs?

and what about the .22/.410 combo's (like the shtf over/under scout type rifles)? since technically they can't share a barrel where the above can?
didn't they make a judge carbine? would it not just be a judge revolver if it were shortened? bet you'd still need a stamp...

**GunLawyer001** · October 21st, 2016, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by fallenleader

well. if it were just a sbr semi auto and the sbs which is a bolt. it'd cut the cost down but it would not be exactly what i posted a photo of.

so it would technically be both an sbr and an sbs.
what about a combo gun like those that fire a .410 and a .45, if you went shorty on one of them, what would it be? sbr or sbs?

and what about the .22/.410 combo's (like the shtf over/under scout type rifles)? since technically they can't share a barrel where the above can?
didn't they make a judge carbine? would it not just be a judge revolver if it were shortened? bet you'd still need a stamp...

Youre getting into AOW territory on SB combo guns.

**fallenleader** · October 21st, 2016, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by GunLawyer001

Youre getting into AOW territory on SB combo guns.

ah, thanks for entertaining the derailment.
now only to win the lottery...

on the actual topic, i had thought about an sbr for vehicle carry but honestly, gonna leave it in there? sling it and walk into a store for some coffee?
it'd be a hell of a lot more tempting a target than a GPS unit or mp3 player left behind. and we have vehicles broken into for loose coins up here.

kind of deterred me.
if it ever gets bad enough that it becomes a serious consideration, probably won't be driving too often anyway. much less worrying about paperwork, laws and regulations.

**knight0334** · October 21st, 2016, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by GunLawyer001

$400 in stamps. About $25-30K for the MG and SBS. Plus chiropractic fees.

If the shotgun component is permanently fixed to the rifle it is a single $200 tax stamp as an AOW if you can get both barrels between 12" and 18".

**knight0334** · October 21st, 2016, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by fallenleader

well. if it were just a sbr semi auto and the sbs which is a bolt. it'd cut the cost down but it would not be exactly what i posted a photo of.

so it would technically be both an sbr and an sbs.
what about a combo gun like those that fire a .410 and a .45, if you went shorty on one of them, what would it be? sbr or sbs?

and what about the .22/.410 combo's (like the shtf over/under scout type rifles)? since technically they can't share a barrel where the above can?
didn't they make a judge carbine? would it not just be a judge revolver if it were shortened? bet you'd still need a stamp...

A .45/.410 is a .45 caliber handgun. The bore is .450" and groove is .452", it just happens to have a chamber long enough to fit a .410bore shell. Just because it can chamber "shotgun shells" doesn't make it a shotgun, otherwise a .22LR rifle/handgun would become a shotgun anytime you use CCI Shot Capsules.

The barrel is rifled, so what determines its status is the presence of a shoulder stock(rifle) or a grip designed to be held and fired with one hand(handgun).

.410bore shotguns are smoothbores. And the bore is just that, .410"(versus .45 caliber for .45Colt). You CANNOT shoot .45Colt out of .410 shotguns, well, so long as you want to keep the gun and body parts in original condition.

Those "jungle carbines" and survival guns were made in Title I and Title II conditions. Title I had both barrels at a minimum of 18" since there was a smoothbore in one of the barrels. The Title II had sub-18" barrels and legally are AOW's.

**gghbi** · October 21st, 2016, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by knight0334

A .45/.410 is a .45 caliber handgun. The bore is .450" and groove is .452", it just happens to have a chamber long enough to fit a .410bore shell. Just because it can chamber "shotgun shells" doesn't make it a shotgun, otherwise a .22LR rifle/handgun would become a shotgun anytime you use CCI Shot Capsules.

The barrel is rifled, so what determines its status is the presence of a shoulder stock(rifle) or a grip designed to be held and fired with one hand(handgun).

.410bore shotguns are smoothbores. And the bore is just that, .410"(versus .45 caliber for .45Colt). You CANNOT shoot .45Colt out of .410 shotguns, well, so long as you want to keep the gun and body parts in original condition.

Those "jungle carbines" and survival guns were made in Title I and Title II conditions. Title I had both barrels at a minimum of 18" since there was a smoothbore in one of the barrels. The Title II had sub-18" barrels and legally are AOW's.

Do not believe that explanation will work in the peoples republic of California, though. Here is a thread for your digestion:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=128910