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February 16th, 2007, 10:29 PM #1
Cheap Russian Ammo Review
What about all that inexpensive Russian Ammo? By Adam Celaya
This is a great review of the cheap russian ammo available on the market today.
http://www.geocities.com/gunversatio...ssian_ammo.htm
To anyone who owns Russian rifles, the glut of inexpensive Russian ammo has been a real windfall. Think about it; at less than $3 per box of rifle ammo there is no American made ammo that even comes close economically speaking. And we are not talking about bad ammo here. Most of the imports feature hollow point bullets, water-sealed primers and bullets, all loaded to Soviet military specs. Granted, the steel Berdan primed cases cannot be reloaded, but at $2.34 a box, who in their right mind would want waste their time reloading the stuff?==============
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February 16th, 2007, 11:33 PM #2
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I've used a fair amount of .223 Wolf and Silver Bear in my Mini 14 without any problems that I can see.
Where I did run into problems was with the .45 ACP and extractors in the Thompson SMG. The cost of parts and down time wasn't worth the savings on the ammo.
With my Colt Defender and Kimber Gold Match the steel cased ammo worked as well as brass.
When conversing with a gunsmith however I was told that the steel casings are very unforgiving on the gun.Jack
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February 17th, 2007, 12:22 AM #3
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why did he say?
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February 17th, 2007, 02:07 AM #4
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February 17th, 2007, 02:21 AM #5
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that wasn't really a question i just wanted to see what the smith had said being one myself.however i have fired thousands of rounds of wolf ammo over the years in pistols and rifles and have found no evidence of accelerated wear due to steel cases.the only thing i have found it is not clean burning but is reasonably accurate.
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February 17th, 2007, 02:26 AM #6
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sorry if i seem somewhat skeptical of what other smiths say but i have met alot of wannabe's and have heard alot of misinformation givin to people who where new to shooting.i worked in technical design and manufacturing /engineering for 8 years and now do gunsmithing full time.
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February 17th, 2007, 11:42 AM #7Grand Member
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February 17th, 2007, 01:13 PM #8
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After .45 v 9 mm, Russian Ammo is the oldest argument on the web. I like most here have been using Wolf for years without any negative issues and will continue to do so. I would believe Global Warming before I fall in with the anti Wolf crowd.
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February 17th, 2007, 03:13 PM #10
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Oh I agree they did use steel cased ammo during the war, simply because that was all there was. Brass was very scarce then. But when the firearm was designed it was around brass casings.
With brass cases in the TSMG I've noticed notches in the bases where the extractor grabbed them. I know others with TSMG's that have fed a fair amount of Wolf without any problems. It could also be that my bolt is slightly out of spec.
Could also be partially due to the fact that the 80 year old parts aren't what they should be. Even today extractors are still surplus. When I add $10.00 and down time to the cost of a box of any brand of steel case ammo its not cost efficient.
Never had any issues in my modern .45's.
AR's and the like head space on the shoulder and not the rim. My mini 14 runs very well with all of the Russian imports, and I as well pick it up as I can.
I'm not saying that Russian ammo is all bad but watch your gun.
I know some who will only fire cast bullets to reduce barrel ware. When you have a 35 to 50 thousand dollar firearm you tend to pamper it a bit.Jack
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