PA to Consider Replacing PICS with NICS

[MovingtoAmerica]

I am sure if clinton gets elected, she will do everything in her power to ensure that NICS gets the constitutional overhaul it requires

[phillyd2]

Another self–evident truth of governess is that accountability shrinks and tyrannical tendencies grows the farther any law, regulation or legislator is away from the people.

If PICS needs tweaking then the Cult-Of-Personality.org should work to make it better instead of scrapping it all which would have too many negative side effects for the people they claim to represent.

[LBaker]

Another self–evident truth of governess is that accountability shrinks and tyrannical tendencies grows the farther any law, regulation or legislator is away from the people.

If PICS needs tweaking then the Cult-Of-Personality.org should work to make it better instead of scrapping it all which would have too many negative side effects for the people they claim to represent.

You don't seem to understand. The tweak is getting rid of the entire brass at PSP. Not going to happen. The Feds have jurisdiction over this now so your point about being accountable is mute...

[Bang]

Moot.

Exemption by LTCF existed here in Penna many years ago. It went away with our present-day system, on the theory that a five-year license holder can get into a lot of mischief during those five years while remaining gun-eligible. I guess a gun owner placing a gun on consignment can commit a murder between the placement and the retrieval, but one would think the gun owner if arrested for murder wouldn't be able to come in for his gun, and for sure he didn't commit the murder with that gun.

Gun law is a quagmire of over-cooked hash from too many hands in the soup over too long a period of time. One thing keeps bugging me about that. Aren't legislators often people with law degrees? Designed to protect us from bad law? Where are the checks and balances within the law-making processes?

[t1066]

The Feds have jurisdiction over this now so your point about being accountable is mute...

MOOT!! not mute!!!

[knight0334]

You don't seem to understand. The tweak is getting rid of the entire brass at PSP. Not going to happen. The Feds have jurisdiction over this now so your point about being accountable is mute...

As a POCS, the feds do not have full jurisdiction. POCS are allowed to make determination on their own. Should NICS go down, a POCS can approve a transfer with their own system.

PA's approval/denial serial numbers are generated by the PSP.

[Bang]

MOOT!! not mute!!!

Should this be moved to pet peeves?

[GunLawyer001]

Nothing wrong with flag waiving in my book... LOL The person who is denied under pics and doesn't challenge has now become a felon under the law for every gun he has in his possession. In the eyes of PSP he is a denied person. He's lost his right to own firearms and has a huge legal issue ahead of him.Talk about making lawyers rich...

I sort of thought that this was what you were getting at, and it's a myth. Whether you try to buy another gun, or not, if you have guns and you have a firearms disability, you're prohibited and in violation of the law. If the last gun you bought was 20 years ago, and you have a prohibition, it doesn't change your status because you get denied by PICS this year; that just means you're on their radar now.

The same thing could happen if the police take a look at you for ANY OTHER REASON. Your wife calls the cops because you were mean to her, they look up your history and notice that (a) you have a bunch of guns and (b) you were convicted of something that means you can't have guns.

For everything except the mental health commitments, police can look you up and play Spot the Prohibitors. They can check the ROSD and see if you are the last recorded transferee of any firearms, or they can ask your wife/girlfriend if you have guns (in a lot of cases, that factoid is volunteered by the "victim".) You can then be arrested and your guns seized and you can be prosecuted, without PICS being involved at all.

The PICS denial is NOT a change in your status that you have to appeal or it "becomes final".

That's not the way this works. That's not the way any of this works.

[bigdawgbeav]

[t1066]

Should this be moved to pet peeves?

Already posted there...doesn't seem to help any...