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May 30th, 2016, 01:07 AM #41
Re: Promised Land State park OC confusion !
There are a lot of big bears around PLSP. We have been camping there for 40+ years. Lots of changes in that time. I remember when the Park Rangers weren't even allowed to carry guns. We'll be heading there for our annual Father's Day camping trip. I CC so there won't be an issue. I can't afford to be a test case.
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May 30th, 2016, 04:13 AM #42
Re: Promised Land State park OC confusion !
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May 30th, 2016, 10:27 AM #43Super Member
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May 30th, 2016, 11:18 AM #44
Re: Promised Land State park OC confusion !
Not really pertaining to our carrying there, but yesterday I witnessed a Park Ranger playing parking lot attendant at the park. He was in full equipment mode of sidearm, cuffs, mag light and of course his vest. I guess the park police haven't heard of other types of LEOs wearing summer clothing.
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May 30th, 2016, 01:00 PM #45Grand Member
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Re: Promised Land State park OC confusion !
Well Bill I guess you and I were in the park at the same time! Was he a little rotund and wearing suspenders? If so that was the Chief.
Like I said in my previous post the park was just to busy for a sit down with the Chief. The day before we were on the Beach when an Accident occurred at the entrance to the Dam breast.Aggies Coach Really ??? Take off the tin foil bro.
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May 31st, 2016, 01:34 PM #47Super Member
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Re: Promised Land State park OC confusion !
Greetings,
Thanks for the comment. I was under the impression that it ALSO extended STANDING; so that an OC issue within a State Park could be challenged without the individual actually having been arrested (preemptively, so to speak). Please correct me if my interpretation is wrong; in the interim, I'll look up the bill and re-read. Thanks again!
Regards, Jim
PS.............here is the section of Act 192 that as I understood it would allow for my statement above:
........(a.2) Relief.--A person adversely affected by an ordinance, a resolution, regulation, rule, practice or any other action promulgated or enforced by a county, municipality or township prohibited under subsection (a) or 53 Pa.C.S. § 2962(g) (relating to limitation on municipal powers) may seek declaratory or injunctive relief and actual damages in an appropriate court...............
Last edited by jim-analog; May 31st, 2016 at 01:38 PM. Reason: added PS with more info
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May 31st, 2016, 01:59 PM #48
Re: Promised Land State park OC confusion !
Jim,
The State Parks are not a county, municipality, or township, they do not operate under or are they bound by Title 53 which regulates Municipalities... They are the Commonwealth and are governed by Title # 71 - State Government and Title # 17 which are their rules and regulations as published in the Pennsylvania Bulletin.....
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June 1st, 2016, 12:25 PM #50Super Member
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Re: Promised Land State park OC confusion !
Greetings,
OK, after searching for a needle in a HUGE pile of needles, I came across (thanks for the tip) PA Title 17-11.215.Weapons and Hunting. This seems to be the problem area in regard to OC in State Parks. Specifically, sections 4 and 5:
"(4) Possessing an uncased device, or uncasing a device, including a firearm, archery equipment or slingshot, that is capable of discharging or propelling a projectile, except as provided in paragraph (2) or (7), or except in the owner’s building on a leased campsite, in the owner’s residence, or in the owner’s vehicle or trailer.
(5) Failing to keep a device, including a firearm, archery equipment or slingshot, that is capable of discharging or propelling a projectile, in the owner’s building on a leased campsite, in the owner’s residence or in the owner’s vehicle or trailer. This prohibition does not apply to either of the following:"
The exceptions are for permitted hunting, trapping (excp 2) or target shooting (excpt 7) in areas so designated (or with written permission). So, I think we've circled around back around to the beginning of the discussion. I'd guess that without a slight change to Section 4, the Park Rangers do seem to have cause to not permit OC. That's my understanding anyway. So, is this worth the effort to attempt a legislative fix? Thanks to everyone who helped me out with the cites.
Regards, JimLast edited by jim-analog; June 1st, 2016 at 12:26 PM. Reason: spell correct; a few times
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