2016 NFA wait time

[DaveM55]

When I picked them up today the FFL said he has a letter that requires an FBI online background check. I told him that is BS but he said I could not have them until he did it. I completed it and asked him to email the letter. An hour later no letter. When I first went to him to complete the application he only said I had one suppressor. I had him check his email and low and behold there were two. I will never do business with this clown again.

Put the suppressor directly on my 300 Blackout pistol.

Forgot to buy the piston for the Octane 45 ARRRRRRGGGGGGG


Pistol with suppressor.jpg

[Nate7667]

The letter he is referring to is the on in this thread.
http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=319817

Did you do the Form 4 on your person or through a trust/corp/llc?
Trust/corp route now need a separate NICS check.

So you still have a 2nd can at his place that you havn't started the Form4 yet?
Or a 2nd was approved as well and he didn't tell you?

[Xringshooter]

If you filed the Form 4 as a Trust/Corporation/LLC prior to July 13, 2016, then the person picking up the NFA item will fill out a 4473 and must have a background check accomplished through NICS as PA does not recognize suppressors as firearms and as such the FFL cannot use PICS to do the background check. PA FFLs who hold a SOT have been given permission by the FBI to enroll in the NICS program to do background checks ONLY for suppressors. SBRs/SBSs/Full Autos are still done through PICS.

[arjohnson]

If you filed the Form 4 as a Trust/Corporation/LLC prior to July 13, 2016, then the person picking up the NFA item will fill out a 4473 and must have a background check accomplished through NICS as PA does not recognize suppressors as firearms and as such the FFL cannot use PICS to do the background check. PA FFLs who hold a SOT have been given permission by the FBI to enroll in the NICS program to do background checks ONLY for suppressors. SBRs/SBSs/Full Autos are still done through PICS.

Not true, I picked up two form 4's prior to 41f and only filled out a 4473, no NICS check.

[buckengr]

Not true, I picked up two form 4's prior to 41f and only filled out a 4473, no NICS check.

Not doubting you, but just curious -- did this occur before or after April 6th of this year? That's the date on the open letter referenced in the other thread.

[arjohnson]

Not doubting you, but just curious -- did this occur before or after April 6th of this year? That's the date on the open letter referenced in the other thread.

Before.

[DaveM55]

No, I now have both cans.

When I first went to see him last June he said the email from the dealer I bought them from in Florida only listed one suppressor.

So I had him review the email while I was there and he was surprised to find a second one.

Even before I met him I emailed him and told him I bought two from the dealer in Florida.

What bugs me about the new letter is no copy is submitted to anyone and I did not get a copy.

He said he keeps a copy and that's it. What crap from the ATF.

The letter he is referring to is the on in this thread.
http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=319817

Did you do the Form 4 on your person or through a trust/corp/llc?
Trust/corp route now need a separate NICS check.

So you still have a 2nd can at his place that you havn't started the Form4 yet?
Or a 2nd was approved as well and he didn't tell you?

[Xringshooter]

Not true, I picked up two form 4's prior to 41f and only filled out a 4473, no NICS check.

Not doubting you either but were your Form 4's done as a trust or as an individual? If done as an individual, you wouldn't have been required to do the NICS check because you underwent a BGC with the FBI for the Form 4. If you did it by a trust, then your FFL/SOT should have done a BGC on you as the person who was picking up the NFA item(s). Believe it or not, many PA FFL/SOTs didn't do the required BGC for the person picking up the trust item because they just didn't know how to do it, me included. I called the NFA Branch and asked them what to do and they didn't really know either because of PA laws about suppressors. So I did what I wasn't supposed to do, I did a PICS on the person (PICS does not ask what the check is for, unless you are doing a BGC on an out of state buyer or other special circumstance). Later, after the ATF decided to change how to do things I had a discussion with the PSP Firearms Unit and they really had no answer. Then the FBI made the changes allowing PA FFL/SOTs to use NICS. Now I am signed up with NICS and PICS is out of the system - for suppressors - a PA FFL/SOT still has to use PICS for a SBR/SBS/FA according to the PSP.

[ExFlyinguy]

Not doubting you either but were your Form 4's done as a trust or as an individual? If done as an individual, you wouldn't have been required to do the NICS check because you underwent a BGC with the FBI for the Form 4. If you did it by a trust, then your FFL/SOT should have done a BGC on you as the person who was picking up the NFA item(s). Believe it or not, many PA FFL/SOTs didn't do the required BGC for the person picking up the trust item because they just didn't know how to do it, me included. I called the NFA Branch and asked them what to do and they didn't really know either because of PA laws about suppressors. So I did what I wasn't supposed to do, I did a PICS on the person (PICS does not ask what the check is for, unless you are doing a BGC on an out of state buyer or other special circumstance). Later, after the ATF decided to change how to do things I had a discussion with the PSP Firearms Unit and they really had no answer. Then the FBI made the changes allowing PA FFL/SOTs to use NICS. Now I am signed up with NICS and PICS is out of the system - for suppressors - a PA FFL/SOT still has to use PICS for a SBR/SBS/FA according to the PSP.

FWIW- Maybe you weren't supposed to do it, but all 3 of my cans were on a trust, and via 2 different dealers. Both dealers did PICS on them. This was pre 41.

I know for certain that on my last can (the dealer was a new SOT). I heard her call PICS operator and explain to them that it was for a silencer. They gave her the run around and ended up transferring her to a supervisor but ended up doing the PICS anyway.

[arjohnson]

Not doubting you either but were your Form 4's done as a trust or as an individual? If done as an individual, you wouldn't have been required to do the NICS check because you underwent a BGC with the FBI for the Form 4. If you did it by a trust, then your FFL/SOT should have done a BGC on you as the person who was picking up the NFA item(s). Believe it or not, many PA FFL/SOTs didn't do the required BGC for the person picking up the trust item because they just didn't know how to do it, me included. I called the NFA Branch and asked them what to do and they didn't really know either because of PA laws about suppressors. So I did what I wasn't supposed to do, I did a PICS on the person (PICS does not ask what the check is for, unless you are doing a BGC on an out of state buyer or other special circumstance). Later, after the ATF decided to change how to do things I had a discussion with the PSP Firearms Unit and they really had no answer. Then the FBI made the changes allowing PA FFL/SOTs to use NICS. Now I am signed up with NICS and PICS is out of the system - for suppressors - a PA FFL/SOT still has to use PICS for a SBR/SBS/FA according to the PSP.

Both on a trust, 2 different dealers, one picked up last July and one this past January, 4473 on both only no NICS check.