Can't Get a Firearm? Use a knife

[MT1]

This is a spin-off of the post I made a few minutes ago regarding the influence of the internet on lone-wolf attackers.

The anti gunners are quick to use other countries with no firearm access as examples. In many cases there are fewer firearm related mass killings in those countries, however; the left isn't tell the rest of the story. In this post I am using China as an example. The Chinese have very strict gun control laws. Basically, if you aren't military or law enforcement you chances of ever touching a gun in China are non zero.

Here are some cases of non firearm mass killings.

On March 23, 2010, Zheng Minsheng 41, murdered eight children with a knife in an elementary school in Nanping. The attack was widely reported in Chinese media sparking fears of copycat crimes. Following a quick trial, Zheng Minsheng was executed one month later on April 28. Media reported a history of mental health issues, but police stated that Zheng had no history of mental illness, contradicting earlier reports. Zheng said that he performed the attack after being turned down by a girl and suffering "unfair treatment" from the girl's wealthy family.

April 2010, Just a few hours after the execution of Zheng Minsheng in neighboring Fujian Province, Guangdong another knife-wielding man named Chen Kangbing, 33 at Hongfu Primary School wounded 16 students and a teacher. Chen Kangbing had been a teacher at a different primary school in Leizhou, but was on sick leave due to mental illness. He was sentenced to death by a court in Zhanjiang in June.

On April 29 in Taixing, unemployed 47-year-old Xu Yuyuan went to Zhongxin Kindergarten and stabbed 28 students and two teachers after stabbing the security guard; most of the Taixing students were 4 years old. The attack was the second in China in just two days.

On April 30, Wang Yonglai used a hammer to cause head injury to preschool children in Weifang, then used gasoline to commit suicide by self-immolation.

May 2010 - An attacker named Wu Huanming, 48, killed seven children and two adults and injured 11 other persons with a cleaver at a kindergarten in Hanzhong, on May 12, 2010. Early reports were removed from the internet in China for fear that mass coverage of such violence can provoke copycat attacks. The attacker later committed suicide at his house; he was the landlord of the school, Shengshui Temple private kindergarten, and had been involved in an ongoing dispute with the school administrator about when the school would move out of the building.

On May 18, 2010 at Hainan Institute of Science and Technology, a vocational college in Haikou, more than 10 men charged into a dormitory wielding knives around 2:30 am. After attacking the security guard and disabling security cameras, 9 students were injured, 1 seriously. The local men attacked the dorm in an act of revenge and retaliation against college students following conflict the previous day at an off-campus food stall in which 4 students were injured, for a total of 13.

August 2010. On 4 August 2010, 26-year-old Fang Jiantang slashed more than 20 children and staff with a 60 cm knife, killing 3 children and 1 teacher, at a kindergarten in Zibo. Of the injured, 3 other children and 4 teachers were taken to the hospital. After being caught Fang confessed to the crime. There was no known motive. Since the start of the year, a total of 27 people had died and at least 80 were injured in various knife attacks.

August 2011, Eight children, all aged four or five, were hurt in Shanghai when an employee at a child-care centre for migrant workers slashed the children who were 3 to 4 years old with a box-cutter. The woman had worked there for years, but was thought to have psychiatric problems.

In September 2011, a young girl and three adults taking their children to nursery school were killed in Gongyi by 30-year-old Wang Hongbin with an axe. Another child and an adult were seriously wounded but survived. The suspect is a local farmer who is suspected of being mentally ill.

On 14 December 2012, a 36-year-old villager in the village of Chenpeng stabbed 23 children and an elderly woman at the village's primary school as children were arriving for classes. The attacker was restrained at the school, and later arrested. All of the victims survived and were treated at three hospitals, though some were reportedly seriously injured, with fingers or ears cut off, and had to be transferred to larger hospitals for specialized care.


Doesn't that make you feel like China is a better, safer place?

[mikelets456]

You've forgot one important point, how many innocent are and were killed via government? Look at statics when honest citizens are banned firearms... Death rates among innocent are staggering and government is responsible for we'll over 150 million murders and deaths in the past 100 years . Also, the USA basically has 1 gun per person and when self defense and suicides are removed from the equation we are 20% of the already low murders by firearm since the 1950s. The pandemic is not guns is a societal breakdown and socialistic policies with immoral incentives that have our society in a downward spiral.

[stainless]

I'll be honest, I fear a knife wielding nut more than a thug with a gun if unexpectedly attacked.

[MT1]

You've forgot one important point, how many innocent are and were killed via government? Look at statics when honest citizens are banned firearms... Death rates among innocent are staggering and government is responsible for we'll over 150 million murders and deaths in the past 100 years . Also, the USA basically has 1 gun per person and when self defense and suicides are removed from the equation we are 20% of the already low murders by firearm since the 1950s. The pandemic is not guns is a societal breakdown and socialistic policies with immoral incentives that have our society in a downward spiral.

No, I didn't forget anything. My post only addresses one point, and one point intentionally. That is the fact that murderers will kill regardless of how easy or difficult it is to get a firearm. I used the example of China because I have personnally heard it innaccuratly described as a society that does not have the issue of mass killings.

I agree with your points above regarding society, number of guns per capita, etc... but the number of people killed by their government has nothing to do with my original post. If gov killings were a valid comparison, China is the last country I would compare. For what it's worth China, tops the list of countries committing genocide. The numbers are estimated to be between 49 and 78 MILLION. Hitler, ranked at #2, is only credited with 12 million. That makes Adolf look like an amateur.

As for your quote of 150 million gov related murders, according to a number of websites you've grossly underestimated.

http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html

https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history

[MT1]

I'll be honest, I fear a knife wielding nut more than a thug with a gun if unexpectedly attacked.

Agreed, for some reason a bullet doesn't bother me as much as the fear of the up close and personal nature of a knife attack. Once a knife is within lethal distance the odds in favor of the victim drop rapidly.

[mikelets456]

Man's estimates are conservatively 60 million and thought of possibly 90 to 120 million. Stalin easily killed 12 to 30 million. Heck, he starved 6 million. Then there's Hitler, IL, Castro, etc. But I digress and forgive me for moving the thread in another direction.