LTCF woes

[302w]

Martins illegal policies are going to get me denied and I'm not sure how to proceed.

Applied on 10/28. First reference mails his back immediately. About 11/10 or so I receive a letter from Martin stating that reference #2 has not replied. Contact #2, he apparently lost it. Call Martin, furnish another reference. Reference #3 never gets the letter.

Call 12/14, ask to resend to reference #2 and #3. Reference #2 gets letter, supposedly mails back before xmas. #3 never gets either letter. Call Martin today, they say they never received #2 back, and I'll be denied if they don't hear back by end of week.

What can I do? I'm sick of Martins BS at this point. If I get denied can I use out of county references? The reliable reference I used is leaving and #2 and #3 are not reliable.

Thanks..

[gnbrotz]

Martins illegal policies are going to get me denied and I'm not sure how to proceed.

Applied on 10/28. First reference mails his back immediately. About 11/10 or so I receive a letter from Martin stating that reference #2 has not replied. Contact #2, he apparently lost it. Call Martin, furnish another reference. Reference #3 never gets the letter.

Call 12/14, ask to resend to reference #2 and #3. Reference #2 gets letter, supposedly mails back before xmas. #3 never gets either letter. Call Martin today, they say they never received #2 back, and I'll be denied if they don't hear back by end of week.

What can I do? I'm sick of Martins BS at this point. If I get denied can I use out of county references? The reliable reference I used is leaving and #2 and #3 are not reliable.

Thanks..

If you're sick of the BS, let him deny you, then file an appeal. "Lack of response from references" is not a legal basis for denial.

[Rosco the Iroc]

That^
Or if you posted more so that I had a feel for you, I might of offered to vouch. But those 10 don't inspire.

[free]

The grocery store?

[302w]

That^
Or if you posted more so that I had a feel for you, I might of offered to vouch. But those 10 don't inspire.

Thanks anyway. I'm not too active on this forum so I don't blame you. No hard feelings.

Has anyone filed an appeal with success over the references? I forsee it getting brushed under the rug somehow.

[Rosco the Iroc]

Most of the time he "refused" to take it if you didn't give any. By never taking it- he couldn't be challenged. They aren't required, nor is the tax form. But no one could pin him down. Let him reject you for no replies and then you can get in the line to sue him. Contact gunlawer for better guidance/referral.

[Jhaydeno]

If you're sick of the BS, let him deny you, then file an appeal. "Lack of response from references" is not a legal basis for denial.

^^^
This. If you've gone 45 days since the application, head down and remind them of the state mandated 45 day rule. You might mention Philly just settled a lawsuit for violating said rule as well. Remind them nicely that references and phone bills are not required by state law either, and in the same sentance, before they even deny you, ask what the appeals process is, because violating state rules will never fly when an issue like this moves up the food chain.

Have all your ducks in a row - I'm not going to find them with my cell phone, but on PAFOA you will find copies of the state law, the Philly lawsuit, and all other pertinent info you should have IN YOUR HANDS when you walk in the door to put up an intelligent argument.

Finally, if its been 45 days and they refuse to make a decision without the references, look back at other LTCF posts about 'constructive denial'; I would take that route and fight the fight.

[302w]

On the subject of references..

I just moved here. I don't work in state, reference #1 got his paperwork in right away. Reference #2 screwed everything up, and a third reference I furnished never got his postcard. Reference #3 carries daily, reloads, etc. #1 and #3 I used to work with, and #2 was my most friendly neighbor. I'm polite as hell and have a decent job. No issues.

The most recent plan was to wait for the denial letter since I'm apparently getting denied today, then probably mail back an appeal. I may try to print the relevant documents at work today and leave around 230 to get to the courthouse on time to speak in person.

They have to be aware of the laws. I wonder if it will be "fine, have a nice day" or if they have rehearsed arguments.

Edit: I printed out John Doe vs Philadelphia. Any suggestions on what else to bring? I cant find the State Police issued forms without references, if such a thing exists. The PA firearms code is... Long and says the sheriff may make an investigation, but doesn't outright mention anything about references.

[Daycrawler]

What can I do? I'm sick of Martins BS at this point.

Have you tried running for Sherriff? If you are sick of him so are others!

[302w]

Good news.

Reference #2 is going in to speak with them. According to one of the office women that will suffice.