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December 3rd, 2015, 07:13 PM #1
URGENT - Call Your Senators Now. Tell Them to Vote NO on These Amendments 12-3-2015
URGENT - Call Your Senators Now. Tell Them to Vote NO on These Amendments ALERT issued 12-3-2015
I got this email from the NSSF and a follow up email from CeaseFirePA
forwarded by a fellow Pennsylvania Activist
Shira Goodman is the foremost anti 2nd Amendment activist in Pennsylvania.
We now know where Pennsylvania Senator Toomey stands.
From: NSSF Alert [mailto:alert@nssf.org]
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 3:02 PM
Subject: Call Your Senators Now. Tell Them to Vote NO on These Amendments
NSSF has learned that anti-gun U.S. Senators are expected to bring up a vote
at ANY MINUTE this afternoon on the previously defeated Manchin-Toomey
"universal background check" amendment as well as an amendment expanding the
prohibited persons list to anyone unknowingly placed on a secret,
error-prone government list, the so called "terrorist watch list."
Call your senators at 202-224-3121 as soon as you can and urge them to vote
NO on both amendments.
From: Shira Goodman <Info@ceasefirepa.org>
Date: December 3, 2015 at 3:41:31 PM EST
Subject: Senator Toomey just called me
Friends,
Senator Toomey just called our office. He wanted to let us know that he and
Senator Manchin plan to re-introduce the Manchin-Toomey background check
expansion bill.
This afternoon, when the US Senate tackles some budget business, it is
likely several gun policy amendments will come up. The Manchin-Toomey
background check expansion bill will be one of those amendments.
We need to thank Senator Toomey for standing firm in his support for this
important measure that will keep guns out of the hands of those who should
not have them. And we must also ask him to support commonsense policies like
closing the Terror Gap that allows folks on the do not fly list to buy guns.
Thanks,
Shira
http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001KMsnK...ylGOuvodtZqQ==
Click link here - easier to read info on UBC than copy paste below
National Shooting Sports Foundation
Why the Firearms Industry Opposes so-called
“Universal Background Checks”
BURDENSOME - Federally licensed firearms retailers will be burdened with having to perform a governmental function (background check on private party transfers). Many proposals mandate that the dealer perform background checks on private party transfers, but cap the fee a dealer can charge:
a. The time and effort necessary to perform the check at government set fee is inadequate to cover the retailers cost. Must maintain A&D records and the Form 4473 for 20 years.
b. FFL status can be jeopardized by mandatory record keeping requirements imposed by Federal (and State) laws. A retailer could have their FFL revoked for a record-keeping error in the paperwork for a gun they didn’t actually sell.
LIABILITY EXPOSURE - Federally licensed firearms retailers will have liability exposure, e.g. product liability claims arising from an accident involving a firearm they didn’t sell, and for which they may thus have no insurance coverage; a property damage claim (“you damaged the gun.”)
NICS DELAYS - Firearms retailers are very concerned that “universal background checks” will result in very lengthy delays in conducting NICS checks when they sell a firearm from their inventory. Proponents of “universal background checks” claim 40% of gun transfers are not subject to a background check. A 40% increase in NICS checks will cause the NICS system to crash. The system simply can’t handle such an increase in volume; delays are growing unacceptably long now even without “private party transfers.”
FixNICSSM - The current background check system is broken. The background checks that are currently done are not as accurate and complete as they should be. This is because both the Federal government and about half the States have failed to put into the NICS system all appropriate records pertaining to prohibited persons, such as mental health records. “Universal background checks” will simply produce more inaccurate and incomplete checks. Before we talk about requiring background checks on private party transfers, we should FixNICS.” Members of the firearms industry, through the NSSF, are funding a grassroots campaign called FixNICS to encourage the reporting records of prohibited persons.
“DEMAND LETTERS” - ATF could further abuse its “demand letter” authority by sending a “demand letter” to all dealers requiring them to submit to ATF a copy of records pertaining to private party transfers (checks) that they are required to maintain. This has happened already to certain dealers.
REGISTRATION - According to the National Institute of Justice, “universal background checks” are only effective if there is national registration of all guns and all private party transfers.
UNDEFINED TERM - What exactly is meant by “universal background check”? Some proponents insist it applies any time a firearm is exchanged between any two individuals. Will intra-family transfers be included? Gifts between friends? Inherited firearms? A loan of a firearm to a hunting buddy during a hunting trip?
FAILURE TO PROSECUTE - Both the Federal and State governments are not prosecuting those who fail a background check when illegally attempting to purchase firearms now. Why would we think the government is any more likely to prosecute criminals who try to illegally obtain a firearm through a private party transfer if they are unwilling to prosecute those who fail checks performed by licensed retailers?
http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001KMsnK...ylGOuvodtZqQ==
Click link here - easier to read info on TW than copy paste below
Terrorist Watchlist Fast Facts
It is unacceptable to deny Americans their Second Amendment rights
without due process because they were placed on a government list or
their name is similar to a name on the terrorist watch list.
• There are major problems with how names are added to the list and
errors are rampant. If placed onto the secretive list erroneously, it is
difficult to be removed.
• It is easier to be placed on the Terrorist Watchlist than the No-Fly list,
although there is no Constitutional right to fly.
• If such a law were enacted, the list would serve as a Terrorist
Notification system, as terrorists could find out whether they are on
the list simply by attempting to purchase a firearm. The current system
more appropriately allows law enforcement the chance to scrutinize
suspected individuals.
• We all support the goal of preventing domestic terrorism. Dangerous
terrorists and criminals should be included on law enforcement wanted
lists or should be charged with a crime. Either action would prohibit
these individuals from purchasing firearms.
Screening Center (TSC) of the
FBI. One subset of the TSDB
is the Transportation Security
Administration (TSA) No-Fly List.
The watch list, which contained
more than 1.1 million identities,
including aliases, as of the end
of 2008, is fraught with errors.
A 2009 Department of Justice
audit of the terrorist watch list
nominating process found that
several major problems with the
nomination practices including
names not added that should have
been, former subjects of closed
investigations that were supposed
to have been removed years ago,
and deceased individuals.iiIn 72
percent of the cases reviewed, the
individuals were not removed “in a
timely manner.”
The FBI may nominate individuals
to the watch list that aren’t the
subject of a terrorist investigation.
More than 62,000 watch list
records were created through
this process. The audit found
“the controls over these types
of nominations to be weak or
nonexistent.”iii Since these
proposals would prevent anyone
whose name appears on the list
from purchasing a firearm, even
individuals, such as the late Senator
Ted Kennedy, who merely have
continued on back
similar names to one on the list,
would be prevented from exercising
their constitutional right.iv
Current System Works
There are already methods in place
to prevent terrorists and criminals
from legally purchasing firearms.
More than 95 percent of people
on the watch list are automatically
prohibited from purchasing firearms
because they are not American
citizens or legal U.S. residents.
The citizens that appear on the
watch list would only be allowed
to purchase a firearm if they meet
the current guidelines and pass a
mandatory FBI background check.v
The FBI checks its Violent Gang
and Terrorist Organization File for
every background check. Federal law
already bars felons, unlawful drug
users and those with misdemeanor
domestic violence convictions from
purchasing firearms.
Terrorist Notification System
These proposals are unlikely to
prevent a terrorist attack, as most
would-be terrorists are either not on
the list before they commit crimes,
or are prohibited from purchasing
firearms under existing law.
However, the proposals would hand
terrorists a useful tool: a governmentrun
terrorist notification system.
According to a 2005 Department
of Justice (DOJ) letter to the
Senate majority leader, the DOJ
strongly opposes such a system
since it would “jeopardize ongoing
investigations” and “would alert [a
suspect] that he or she is on the
watch list.” Even the TSC cited a
2010 Washington Post article in its
reason for opposing such a system,
saying “There are legitimate law
enforcement reasons for keeping
the list secret: Disclosure of such
information would tip off known or
suspected terrorists, who could then
change their habits or identities to
escape government scrutiny.”
Merely being suspected or simply
having a name that is similar
to someone who is suspected
should not be enough to deny any
American any fundamental right.
Legislative attempts to prohibit the
purchase of firearms by anyone on
the terrorist watch list are overly
broad infringements on Americans’
constitutional rights and attempt to
solve a problem that doesn’t exist by
using a method that wouldn’t work
and would provide a tool to terrorists.Last edited by WhiteFeather; December 3rd, 2015 at 07:16 PM.
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December 3rd, 2015, 07:40 PM #2Senior Member
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Re: URGENT - Call Your Senators Now. Tell Them to Vote NO on These Amendments 12-3-
They voted about an hour or so ago, and both failed
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December 3rd, 2015, 07:45 PM #3
Re: URGENT - Call Your Senators Now. Tell Them to Vote NO on These Amendments 12-3-
Good, I couldn't decide whether to call Toomey or Casey to effectively influence their NO vote.
"Everyone is entitled to my opinion." - Gman106
"Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face." - Mike Tyson
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December 3rd, 2015, 07:49 PM #4
Re: URGENT - Call Your Senators Now. Tell Them to Vote NO on These Amendments 12-3-
They were voted down. The State run media is in full propaganda mode making wild claims that the Republicans are allowing terrorists to have guns. /sigh/
...and they have a plan...
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December 3rd, 2015, 07:49 PM #5Senior Member
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December 3rd, 2015, 07:53 PM #6
Re: URGENT - Call Your Senators Now. Tell Them to Vote NO on These Amendments 12-3-
It's amazing how fast government can move when it wants to ban guns, and how glacially slow they move when an overwhelming majority want the government to restore rights they should've never taken in the first place.
Remember that, folks. By the time we even heard this was happening, the vote was already cast.
Stay vigilant.
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December 3rd, 2015, 08:50 PM #7Banned
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Re: URGENT - Call Your Senators Now. Tell Them to Vote NO on These Amendments 12-3-
I may be mixing up my votes,mouth it sure looks like Toomey voted against the whole "no guns for people on the terrywrist watch list" and then for his own bill.
He's still a fuckstick, but nothing like getting hit by cars coming both ways. The ceasefire folks only got 1 of 2 votes out of him.
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December 3rd, 2015, 09:12 PM #8
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December 3rd, 2015, 09:22 PM #9
Re: URGENT - Call Your Senators Now. Tell Them to Vote NO on These Amendments 12-3-
No no no this is a misunderstanding.
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
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December 3rd, 2015, 10:00 PM #10Grand Member
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Re: URGENT - Call Your Senators Now. Tell Them to Vote NO on These Amendments 12-3-
Yes.
I think the libtards are in a frenzied hysterical state. They have a mountain to climb to seize the presidency in 2016 with dragging hillary clinton across the line and also have lost ground in congress and senate races and state governments as well. Without the utopian statist king obama around, they could go a long time before they have their big chance again, so expect irrational crazy rhetoric and behavior for the next year at least. I can see it on our Senator and Congressman's social media sites and in left wing drive by media with comments sections. These people are riled up crazy and are extremely dangerous.
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