Any way for 18 year olds to carry?

[bullzeye8]

So I know you cannot get a ltcf until you are 21 and without one you can only open carry if you are walking everywhere. I cannot walk everywhere but while doing research on these confusing laws I saw a couple people mentioning you can get non-resident licenses from other states at 18 and use that to carry in PA. Is that legal? I know with drivers licenses you need to have the license for the state you are a resident of but see no mention of that in these gun laws.

[phillyd2]

Join the army.

[Grimm]

Didn't Kane change the law so you have to have a license from your home state before Pennsylvania will honor a non resident license from another state?

[djeuch]

Correct. Out of state permits are not valid for in-state residents.

[IIIIIREPOIIIII]

Join the army.

And you still can't carry

[tl_3237]

Didn't Kane change the law so you have to have a license from your home state before Pennsylvania will honor a non resident license from another state?

Although she did change several reciprocity agreements to restrict recognition of ones issued to 'non-residents' of the issuing states, the blanket proscription comes from case law:

In construing the Act to give effect to all of its provisions, we hold that a Pennsylvania resident who does not have a valid Pennsylvania license issued under the Pennsylvania Uniform Firearms Act may not carry a firearm in a vehicle or concealed on or about his person in Pennsylvania under the authority of a permit issued by another state that has reciprocity with Pennsylvania

Com. v. McKown, 79 A. 3d 678 - Pa: Superior Court 2013

[ungawa]

What if you have a license from another state that does NOT have reciprocity with Pennsylvania?

[knight0334]

The only recourses are:

1. Open carry of a "firearm"(handgun, SBS, SBR) on foot outside of Philly and absent a state of emergency.
2. Open or concealed carry of a rifle or shotgun(except within Philly or during a state of emergency), and it cannot be loaded within a vehicle.


That is it.

[tl_3237]

What if you have a license from another state that does NOT have reciprocity with Pennsylvania?

I suspect that, upon appealing ones conviction after proffering the non-reciprocal defense, the same court system that gave us McKown will give us a less restrictive ruling restriction.

For the defendant/appellant - his probable final disposition:

Car carry and CC is NOT OK for Pa residents within Pa unless they have an LTCF. The current case law [Com. v. McKown, 79 A. 3d 678 - Pa: Superior Court 2013] states:

In construing the Act to give effect to all of its provisions, we hold that a Pennsylvania resident who does not have a valid Pennsylvania license issued under the Pennsylvania Uniform Firearms Act may not carry a firearm in a vehicle or concealed on or about his person in Pennsylvania under the authority of a permit issued by another state that has reciprocity with Pennsylvania

Technically the ruling did not address a Pa resident having a non-reciprocated alien license as justification for car carry under 18 Pa CS 6106(b)(11):

(11) Any person while carrying a firearm in any vehicle,
which person possesses a valid and lawfully issued license
for that firearm which has been issued under the laws of the
United States or any other state.

but I wouldn't advise anyone to assume that defense of such a situation would be successful.

With respect to Pa reciprocity agreements with other states, they only apply to non-Pa residents while within Pa. Pa residents are restricted to LTCFs as shown above.

[alpacaheat]

Join the army.

And you still can't carry

Join ISIS. Consider MS-13, Black Panthers, La Raza...they're all above the law lately...no fear of prosecution.

Repo's right, Army can't carry. It's insane.