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    Just an FYI. As of today, the sheriff's department stated that they will only issue a non-resident license to person who have a "Full Carry" (with NO restrictions, i.e., target, hunting, etc.) in their state of residence. He added that, in the past six months, more and more counties are taking a similar approach "to keep things simple." Where I am in New York, only retired law enforcement - or celebrities - get an unrestricted license. Have found that Wayne County (Honesdale) will issue one if a person has a "Business" permit, but not if they have one for just target and/or hunting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlZ View Post
    Just an FYI. As of today, the sheriff's department stated that they will only issue a non-resident license to person who have a "Full Carry" (with NO restrictions, i.e., target, hunting, etc.) in their state of residence. He added that, in the past six months, more and more counties are taking a similar approach "to keep things simple." Where I am in New York, only retired law enforcement - or celebrities - get an unrestricted license. Have found that Wayne County (Honesdale) will issue one if a person has a "Business" permit, but not if they have one for just target and/or hunting.
    Hmmm, what if you are a non-resident that owns property with a house on it? I would think, with proper documentation, one could get a LTCF without a license from their primary state of residence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911Operator View Post
    Hmmm, what if you are a non-resident that owns property with a house on it? I would think, with proper documentation, one could get a LTCF without a license from their primary state of residence.
    Only if you change residency to PA. It would require proof, like a PA drivers license.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911Operator View Post
    Hmmm, what if you are a non-resident that owns property with a house on it? I would think, with proper documentation, one could get a LTCF without a license from their primary state of residence.
    With all 50 states now 'issuing' CCWs, the bolded statement above is incorrect. Any sheriff that would issue such an LTCF would be in violation of 18 Pa CS 6109(e)(1)(ix)

    Quote Originally Posted by R L Suehr View Post
    Only if you change residency to PA. It would require proof, like a PA drivers license.

    ^^^^ what he said.
    IANAL

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    Quote Originally Posted by tl_3237 View Post
    With all 50 states now 'issuing' CCWs, the bolded statement above is incorrect. Any sheriff that would issue such an LTCF would be in violation of 18 Pa CS 6109(e)(1)(ix)
    This section doesn't bode well for residents in places like PRNJ:
    Quote Originally Posted by 18 Pa CS 6109(e)(1)(ix)
    (e) Issuance of license.--
    (1) A license to carry a firearm shall be for the purpose of carrying a firearm concealed on or about one's person or in a vehicle and shall be issued if, after an investigation not to exceed 45 days, it appears that the applicant is an individual concerning whom no good cause exists to deny the license. A license shall not be issued to any of the following:
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    (ix) A resident of another state who does not possess a current license or permit or similar document to carry a firearm issued by that state if a license is provided for by the laws of that state, as published annually in the Federal Register by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms of the Department of the Treasury under 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(19) (relating to definitions).
    "A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves." ― Edward R. Murrow

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    Quote Originally Posted by R L Suehr View Post
    Only if you change residency to PA. It would require proof, like a PA drivers license.
    So a Deed, Mortg statement or Tax receipt wouldn't suffice? What would a resident Pa non driver do for proof?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911Operator View Post
    So a Deed, Mortg statement or Tax receipt wouldn't suffice? What would a resident Pa non driver do for proof?
    Owning or even leasing property does not make one a resident.

    Although I'm unaware that there is any formal definition of Pa 'resident' insofar as issuing an LTCF is concerned, generally some proof that you actually maintain a home and make Pa your principal residence like: DL/registration or PA non-driver's Id, voter registration, enrolling kids in school, filing resident state income tax, etc.
    IANAL

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911Operator View Post
    So a Deed, Mortg statement or Tax receipt wouldn't suffice? What would a resident Pa non driver do for proof?
    Probably not.
    You could have all those things and still be a resident of say NY or NJ, they don't prove residency. Drivers License, State ID, where your state income tax goes. Those would work better for proving residency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tl_3237 View Post
    Owning or even leasing property does not make one a resident.

    Although I'm unaware that there is any formal definition of Pa 'resident' insofar as issuing an LTCF is concerned, generally some proof that you actually maintain a home and make Pa your principal residence like: DL/registration or PA non-driver's Id, voter registration, enrolling kids in school, filing resident state income tax, etc.
    ^^^what he said^^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by tl_3237 View Post
    With all 50 states now 'issuing' CCWs, the bolded statement above is incorrect. Any sheriff that would issue such an LTCF would be in violation of [URL="http://www.legis.state.pa.us/CFDOCS/LEGIS/LI/consCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&ttl=18&div=00.&chpt=061. &sctn=009.&subSctn=000.&CFID=283922352&CFTOKEN=333 32626"]18 Pa CS 6109(e)(1)(ix)[/URL






    ^^^^ what he said.
    Vermont does not issue carry license. Never has been required. Thus a Vermont resident is eligible for non resident LTCF without having home state.
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