Oc talk with a police man

[ungawa]

Cough cough.... http://gunsforeveryone.com/open-carr...dered-with-it/

Tyler, 48, had a concealed-carry permit, but his handgun was plainly visible that night in his holster, Johnson said.

“The suspects walk in and one immediately reached for Mr. Tyler’s gun,” Johnson said. Tyler did not draw his weapon

Did I say there is no reason an open carrier would be killed with his own gun? No. I can think of a few reasons.

I said the fact that cops are killed with their own guns does not translate to open carriers. I am willing to bet that 99% of the time it is to escape arrest and prosecution or justice. I have to worry about a lot of things, but not that.

Cough.

Cough.

[Carson]

It depends. Changing our minds is a Civilian's Prerogative. Try to keep up.

I'll try. I was busy with this MPOETC updates stuff. Something about Open Carry, First Class City, Civil Rights, etc. Ooh lunch time, I'll get back to that later.

[Deanimator]

I was told by a Bethel Park cop that he didn't give a shit if it was legal and if he saw me open carrying, he'd arrest me for disturbing the peace.

I'd have told him, just give me the money now and avoid the legal fees of a civil trial...

[Deleted]

Did I say there is no reason an open carrier would be killed with his own gun? No. I can think of a few reasons.

I said the fact that cops are killed with their own guns does not translate to open carriers. I am willing to bet that 99% of the time it is to escape arrest and prosecution or justice. I have to worry about a lot of things, but not that.

Cough.

Cough.

You are right... the two are unrelated entirely. I took your post to say that there has never been an OC'r that has been disarmed and killed with his own pistols. If I mistook, my bad.

[Grey Bearded One]

Same standards? I thought you wanted to hold us to higher standards?

Higher would be nice but "same" would be a good start.

[Carson]

Higher would be nice but "same" would be a good start.

I can't disagree.

[Rosco the Iroc]

I have a brother in law who's a Bethlehem cop and he has said as much inc how it's illegal to OC in filthy. I ran the gambit on MOPEC and UFA finally just said fuck it trying to talk to him.

[Carson]

I believe this, but here is the real question and the real problem, in the real world, if one of them backed up another officer who had already proned out an OCer for OCing, would they help the OCer up, apologize and dust him off while correcting the offending officer or would they quietly go along with the harassment in hopes that it just fades away, no harm, no foul?

Situations like this happen every day and tell us what the answer is.

I had something similar to this. I wasn't there from the beginning, I didn't know exactly what the circumstances were, but I didn't interrupt the stop because it wasn't extremely out of line. Afterward when I got the complete story, I have to admit that I had to print out our directive, a commissioner's memo and a quarterly training handout (MPO updates) to show them, because they didn't believe what I had to say.

[abner13]

Had a state trooper pull me over on my motorcycle for 'helmet inspection' , when I opened my wallet and took out my D/L , he saw my LTCF , he stepped back , put his hand on his gun , unsnapped and screamed "DON'T MOVE!!! , where's the gun?!?! You are obligated to tell an officer , yadda , yadda , yadda.

Called for back-up. Local PD soon arrived.

Told him I wasn't carrying. Didn't matter. Ordered me off my bike. On the ground. Pat down , saddle bags searched.


Local PD said, ''That guy was totally in the wrong about the entire incident.''

[louie]

I believe this, but here is the real question and the real problem, in the real world, if one of them backed up another officer who had already proned out an OCer for OCing, would they help the OCer up, apologize and dust him off while correcting the offending officer or would they quietly go along with the harassment in hopes that it just fades away, no harm, no foul?

Situations like this happen every day and tell us what the answer is.

Hence, a good reason to employ 'unalterable' body cameras on ALL LEO's.
Gotta keep 'em honest, somehow.
They fail to police themselves, so the public should demand ALL interactions with the public be recorded, and held for a minimum of 30 days.