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    A friend of mine was just denied a LTCF in Philadelphia. Has anyone else had this happen and if so, how did you handle the appeal? Do you mail the form in and they schedule you a hearing date? Or do you just fill out the form and go to the room the days they hear appeals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chvyrs90 View Post
    A friend of mine was just denied a LTCF in Philadelphia. Has anyone else had this happen and if so, how did you handle the appeal? Do you mail the form in and they schedule you a hearing date? Or do you just fill out the form and go to the room the days they hear appeals?
    Did it state a reason for the denial?

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    Character clause

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chvyrs90 View Post
    Character clause
    Did they state anything more specific on that? Just trying to see exactly what they're saying and go from there.

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    How the "character clause" is Constitutional is beyond me. It basically renders PA to a "May Issue" state, and not a Shall Issue state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot321 View Post
    How the "character clause" is Constitutional is beyond me. It basically renders PA to a "May Issue" state, and not a Shall Issue state.
    PA is a May Issue state, despite what the delusional want to believe because it lets them sleep better at night.
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    He was arrested years ago for using his weapon to defend himself. He had a shitty lawyer who advised him to plead no contest. He is still able to purchase firearms, so the charges couldn't have been that serious. I'm just wondering what the process is though. Not what he "should do".

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    The "character clause" is a catch-all that Philly loves to use. From petty crimes to unpaid parking tickets. Even if the record is expunged, Philly will still probably deny. It's what they do.

    Here are the LTCF number for Philly and surrounding counties by percentage:

    Philly - 0.5%
    Montco - 1%
    Delco - 1.2%
    Bucks - 1.7%

    Philly has 1.5 million people and only 7000 (or so) LTCF holders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chvyrs90 View Post
    He was arrested years ago for using his weapon to defend himself. He had a shitty lawyer who advised him to plead no contest. He is still able to purchase firearms, so the charges couldn't have been that serious. I'm just wondering what the process is though. Not what he "should do".
    Based on this I recommend your friend get a lawyer if he really wants his lftcf.
    No way Philly's pretend appeal board is going to roll over on this. It can't hurt to try, but he only has 30 days to appeal to a real court (common pleas), or he has to wait one year before re-applying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdawgbeav View Post
    The "character clause" is a catch-all that Philly loves to use. From petty crimes to unpaid parking tickets. Even if the record is expunged, Philly will still probably deny. It's what they do.

    Here are the LTCF number for Philly and surrounding counties by percentage:

    Philly - 0.5%
    Montco - 1%
    Delco - 1.2%
    Bucks - 1.7%

    Philly has 1.5 million people and only 7000 (or so) LTCF holders.
    The statistics for the ratio of population vs. LTCFers for 2013 (latest data available) is provided at:

    http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-car...r-metrics.html

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