HB 718 – Right to Transport Firearms Rep Krieger 2015-2016 legislative effort

[BobGun]

This law is one of the most important to be introduced. When I moved to PA from the PRNJ I could not believe the transportation of firearms would be the same rules as PRNJ. I understand that we can get a LTCF but in most other states you can transport a firearm legally cased and unloaded without a permit or permission.

[Dutchie]

This law is one of the most important to be introduced. When I moved to PA from the PRNJ I could not believe the transportation of firearms would be the same rules as PRNJ. I understand that we can get a LTCF but in most other states you can transport a firearm legally cased and unloaded without a permit or permission.

I'm moving from NJ to PA as well. So how do you move the guns in? Getting confused here. I figured I could just put them in the trunk cased and unloaded. Drive to settlement and then to house and unload them. That's illegal??

[mikelets456]

I'm moving from NJ to PA as well. So how do you move the guns in? Getting confused here. I figured I could just put them in the trunk cased and unloaded. Drive to settlement and then to house and unload them. That's illegal??

Good question. When I moved here I had my Florida ccw and never thought anything further. Do you have a ccw from another state?

[knight0334]

I'm moving from NJ to PA as well. So how do you move the guns in? Getting confused here. I figured I could just put them in the trunk cased and unloaded. Drive to settlement and then to house and unload them. That's illegal??

PA's law specifically exempts the moving of "firearms"(handguns, SBS's, SBR's) from one residence to a new residence. Long guns aren't regulated.

I think NJ law also has an exemption for when moving between residences.

(a) Offense defined.--
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), any person who carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license under this chapter commits a felony of the third degree.
(2) A person who is otherwise eligible to possess a1 valid license under this chapter but carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license and has not committed any other criminal violation commits a misdemeanor of the first degree.
(b) Exceptions.--The provisions of subsection (a) shall not apply to:
(1) Constables, sheriffs, prison or jail wardens, or their deputies, policemen of this Commonwealth or its political subdivisions, or other law-enforcement officers.
(2) Members of the army, navy, marine corps, air force or coast guard of the United States or of the National Guard or organized reserves when on duty.
(3) The regularly enrolled members of any organization duly organized to purchase or receive such firearms from the United States or from this Commonwealth.
(4) Any persons engaged in target shooting with a firearm, if such persons are at or are going to or from their places of assembly or target practice and if, while going to or from their places of assembly or target practice, the firearm is not loaded.
(5) Officers or employees of the United States duly authorized to carry a concealed firearm.
(6) Agents, messengers and other employees of common carriers, banks, or business firms, whose duties require them to protect moneys, valuables and other property in the discharge of such duties.
(7) Any person engaged in the business of manufacturing, repairing, or dealing in firearms, or the agent or representative of any such person, having in his possession, using or carrying a firearm in the usual or ordinary course of such business.
(8) Any person while carrying a firearm which is not loaded and is in a secure wrapper from the place of purchase to his home or place of business, or to a place of repair, sale or appraisal or back to his home or place of business, or in moving from one place of abode or business to another or from his home to a vacation or recreational home or dwelling or back, or to recover stolen property under section 6111.1(b)(4) (relating to Pennsylvania State Police), or to a place of instruction intended to teach the safe handling, use or maintenance of firearms or back or to a location to which the person has been directed to relinquish firearms under 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108 (relating to relief) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm or to a licensed dealer's place of business for relinquishment pursuant to 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108.2 (relating to relinquishment for consignment sale, lawful transfer or safekeeping) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm or to a location for safekeeping pursuant to 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108.3 (relating to relinquishment to third party for safekeeping) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm.
(9) Persons licensed to hunt, take furbearers or fish in this Commonwealth, if such persons are actually hunting, taking furbearers or fishing as permitted by such license, or are going to the places where they desire to hunt, take furbearers or fish or returning from such places.
(10) Persons training dogs, if such persons are actually training dogs during the regular training season.
(11) Any person while carrying a firearm in any vehicle, which person possesses a valid and lawfully issued license for that firearm which has been issued under the laws of the United States or any other state.
(12) A person who has a lawfully issued license to carry a firearm pursuant to section 6109 (relating to licenses) and that said license expired within six months prior to the date of arrest and that the individual is otherwise eligible for renewal of the license.
(13) Any person who is otherwise eligible to possess a firearm under this chapter and who is operating a motor vehicle which is registered in the person's name or the name of a spouse or parent and which contains a firearm for which a valid license has been issued pursuant to section 6109 to the spouse or parent owning the firearm.
(14) A person lawfully engaged in the interstate transportation of a firearm as defined under 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(3) (relating to definitions) in compliance with 18 U.S.C. § 926A (relating to interstate transportation of firearms).
(15) Any person who possesses a valid and lawfully issued license or permit to carry a firearm which has been issued under the laws of another state, regardless of whether a reciprocity agreement exists between the Commonwealth and the state under section 6109(k), provided:
(i) The state provides a reciprocal privilege for individuals licensed to carry firearms under section 6109.
(ii) The Attorney General has determined that the firearm laws of the state are similar to the firearm laws of this Commonwealth.
(16) Any person holding a license in accordance with section 6109(f)(3).

[Dutchie]

Thank you.

[Sgt.K]

I'm moving from NJ to PA as well. So how do you move the guns in? Getting confused here. I figured I could just put them in the trunk cased and unloaded. Drive to settlement and then to house and unload them. That's illegal??

PA's law specifically exempts the moving of "firearms"(handguns, SBS's, SBR's) from one residence to a new residence. Long guns aren't regulated.

I think NJ law also has an exemption for when moving between residences.

Thank you.

Neither state's exemptions include intermediate stops. Stopping at settlement is NOT driving from residence to residence. I don't have time this minute to develop a legal method for you, but I'm sure someone here can come up with something.

[mikelets456]

Neither state's exemptions include intermediate stops. Stopping at settlement is NOT driving from residence to residence. I don't have time this minute to develop a legal method for you, but I'm sure someone here can come up with something.

Then it could end up being impossible especially same day settlement or the next day. You're essentially homeless until you complete the "buy" option of your settlement after selling your house. Heck, even a same day settlement your firearms are still (technically) in transit, I would think.I would think the MOVE is not complete until settlement is closed and done...Ref what Knight0334 posted: " or in moving from one place of abode or business to another".

However, we had our own the moving van---which I rented and drove. I wonder if using a private hauler opens another can of worms?

[Dutchie]

Plan is now to take two cars, go to our settlement leave car with firearms on private driveway of old house. After settlement go to walk-through of new house. Leave car with firearms on private driveway of new house then take other car to settlement of new house. Do settlement, go to new home and unload.

Should be good, right?

[WhiteFeather]

Thanks to the efforts of those that went to HBG on May 12, 2015 for the 10th Annual 2nd Amendment Action Day & lobbying event we picked up a Quite a few more (12) co-sponsors to HB 718

View number of and list of co-sponsor to HB 718 here

https://foac-pac.org/Proposed-Pennsy.../State-Law/722

See OP for list of Reps to ask to co-sponsor IF you are for this concept