HB 718 – Right to Transport Firearms Rep Krieger 2015-2016 legislative effort

[WhiteFeather]

I thought you could also transport a firearm to a class unloaded without a LTCF.
Is this not the case then as it isn't listed and isn't one of the 4 although 5 appear to be listed.

"from the place of purchase to his home or place of business, or to a place of repair, sale or appraisal, or
back to his home or place of business, or in moving from one place of abode or business to another or
from his home to a vacation or recreational home or dwelling back, or to recover stolen property under
section 6111.1(b)(4)(relating to Pennsylvania State Police), or to a place of instruction intended to teach
the safe handling, use or maintenance of firearms or back or to a location to which the person has been
directed to relinquish firearms under Pa.C.S.6108.2 (relating to relinquishment for consignment sale,
lawful transfer or safekeeping) or back up return of the relinquished firearm..."

(most firearm training has live fire at a range so simplified the text To & from a gun club) yes you are correct its one of the exception listed in the law, trouble is you can't stop on the way to class to pick up ammo or stop for anything else without a LTCF.

A non resident of PA traveling through has the federal exemption with unloaded firearms that PA resident doesn't.

IF you can pass a federal background check to buy a handgun from FFL dealer and IF stop on the way home that is criminal act in PA makes the current law & the way the courts have interpreted the existing law is total unreasonable and unacceptable.

[Defender]

I'll never understand all this kind of gobbledegook. Are you a law abiding citizen and does your gun remain in a safe place either on your person or in your vehicle? The they should leave people the hell alone! The line only gets crossed if you pull it out and do an evil deed. Sheeeeesch!

[Defender]

This, like so many other subjects, shouldn't be rocket science. You should be allowed to transport your unloaded firearm (or loaded handgun with a LTCF) any place in this state that you want, provided that it's for a lawful intent. If you have your new rifle in your car on your way to a friends house to show it off and decide you'd like a bottle of iced tea for the ride a stop at Turkey Hill shouldn't result in a criminal record. Now if you decide to rob the store with said rifle while you are there it's a whole separate issue.

Or a loaded handgun WITHOUT a LTCF. You are good if you open carry outside the car but once you get in you are now a criminal? Unbelievable! Like you said, if you decide to rob a store it's a whole different issue.

[ChamberedRound]

A non resident of PA traveling through has the federal exemption with unloaded firearms that PA resident doesn't.

The federal exception isn't really that cut-and-dry.

In order for the federal exemption to hold for a given state, you literally have to travel THROUGH that state. That means no stopping for gas, no stopping for food, no stopping for bathroom breaks. You get pulled over, by no fault of your own? No exemption. You get involved in an accident, that wasn't your fault? No exemption.

It's not easy to travel THROUGH Pennsylvania without stopping at all. And that's all the more reason we should see this law passed, because it allows everyone on PA roads to be held to the same standard for traveling with firearms.

[God's Country]

What the hell is wrong with this state. We had a republican governor and held the house and senate. We get a bill passed at the last minute that might have been done wrong and possibly declared unconstitutional on grounds of passage. Now we have some pro gun bills proposed with an anti gun governor.


Does anyone else see something wrong here? When people say NY style laws will never pass here fool themselves. I honestly think the republicans don't want to change any of this.

This is not just guns. They had 4 years to do what they pleased and make this state better but they did nothing. They were worried about the liqueur stores. Pennsylvania is a beautiful state but the politicians are terrible and corrupt.

Exactly.
I bet anything this bill moves and makes it to Wolf's desk only to be pocket vetoed.

It's been quite clear over the past 4 years that the corruption in Pa, like on a national level, doesn't even need to be hid anymore. They just laugh at us.

[jgalen0025]

Nevermind....

[vinlander]

This is not just guns. They had 4 years to do what they pleased and make this state better but they did nothing. They were worried about the liqueur stores.

PA gun owners seem pretty apathetic. If they don't bother to vote or contact their legislators regarding this stuff, why expect the legislators to give a s#!t?

This may not be true, but I'm basing it on gun-owners I know in the state, and most of them just don't care.

They either fully expect that their voice means nothing and the state will turn into NJ any day now (Republicans), or they think nothing will ever happen (Democrats).

So it's no surprise when legislators turn to deal with things their sponsors or lobbyists want.

[rwilson452]

Exactly.
I bet anything this bill moves and makes it to Wolf's desk only to be pocket vetoed.

It's been quite clear over the past 4 years that the corruption in Pa, like on a national level, doesn't even need to be hid anymore. They just laugh at us.

Pocket veto? No he will veto it,with a news conference

[WhiteFeather]

PA gun owners seem pretty apathetic.They certain are If they don't bother to vote or contact their legislators regarding this stuff, why expect the legislators to give a s#!t? Absolutely Correct!

This may not be true, Sadly its TRUE but I'm basing it on gun-owners I know in the state, and most of them just don't care. oooo They can talk up a good game, still when it comes time for action they are MIA, they cry like little spoiled rotten children that ate to much candy for someone else to do something for their tummy ache.... only when it finally effects them then its a problem still they won't engage, not write a letter, make a few phone phone calls, not even an email sent, that is true for 99.999% PA gun owners among the millions that there are REALLY just don’t fracking care, proof by their actions and deeds, that show what they value they give to their rights.

YOU can be sure they would NOT be any of the 77 bravely standing their ground on April 19, 1775 at Lexington Green against a wave of several hundred of Red coats aimed at disarming them for the safety of the crown, that willingly gave all for the cause of freedom, that fought and died for them to have the remaining water down rights we still can somewhat enjoy today, at least for now.



They either fully expect that their voice means nothing and the state will turn into NJ any day now (Republicans), or they think nothing will ever happen (Democrats).

So it's no surprise when legislators turn to deal with things their sponsors or lobbyists want.

Quoted for accurately portraying the uncomfortable fact about most every gun owner in PA (not all but most)

[JenniferG]

This is not just guns. They had 4 years to do what they pleased and make this state better but they did nothing. They were worried about the liqueur stores. Pennsylvania is a beautiful state but the politicians are terrible and corrupt.

PA makes the top ten most corrupt states list every year. Pa Gun owners sat home for the Governor's election and let state employees and teachers raid the cookie jar.