Question regarding handgun transfer from ny to pa father to son

[Gun]

Quick question, I'm sure it has been asked and I wanted a specific on transfer from ny to pa. My father has an old ww2 revolver that he is interested in transferring to me since it was my grandfathers. I live in pa, and he lives in NY. He has his permit in NY and I have mine in pa.

Since is it across the border, he would have to ship it to a ffl. Can he drive it without breaking federal laws? Also what are any other options since it is different states.

When making the transfer what information is needed?

I appreciate any help or information.

You already had the answer. According to this,

Please note that if a private person wants to obtain a firearm from a private person who resides in another State, the firearm will have to be shipped to an FFL in the buyer’s State. The FFL will be responsible for record keeping. See also Question B3.

#16, https://www.atf.gov/content/firearms...censed-persons

AFAIK, federal law only recognizes unlicensed persons when regarding firearms transfers. IANAL.

[knight0334]

I would say he just brings it to your house and leaves it there. Now you both are in state. Why make it complicated.

It would be legal for him to drive to a range here as long as the handgun is not loaded. You could always meet there.

Ownership would still cross state lines regardless as where the parties are both presently at. So it must go through a FFL, it is federal law and has been since 1968. The only way around not using a FFL is for the father to die and either will the gun to the son or the son inherits it via intestate succession if there isn't a will.

To the OP:

Yes, the father can drive it to a FFL in PA to transfer to you. He doesn't need anything more than his drivers license so that the FFL knows who he acquired the gun from, and his NY permit so that he doesn't break any NY laws while transporting his gun from his abode.

[ungawa]

As Knight indicated, you don't have to "ship" it to an FFL under federal or PA law, you can bring it to an FFL in the purchaser's state. I leave the NY part of the equation to others.

[GunLawyer001]

I agree with the other wise souls, the father can comply with Federal law by transporting it unloaded, in a secure container other than the glove box or console.

He complies with PA law as long as he's going directly to the FFL to transfer it.

NY law, who knows. Those folks are crazy with the gun hate.

[Gretep21]

Yes, he is legally able to carry in NY with his permit.

When he comes here, What information will we need. I assume the ffl will have the paperwork, is it anything I can print out and have filled out before we go?

Thank you all for the help

[jerkin]

All he should need is the firearm and his drivers license. Nothing you can do beforehand.

[knight0334]

Yes, he is legally able to carry in NY with his permit.

When he comes here, What information will we need. I assume the ffl will have the paperwork, is it anything I can print out and have filled out before we go?

Thank you all for the help

The FFL will have the forms. There is nothing you can fill out prior to the transfer.

For you it will be just like buying a gun from the FFL. For your father, he'll just be giving his name/address/etc to the FFL so that the FFL can add the gun to his bound book, and filling out a small section on the PA PSP form.

[QuackXP]

Just to be safe I could call the FFL and make an appointment.

[GunLawyer001]

Just so you (and others) know; the handgun transfers from the father to the FFL's bound book, and then to the son, meaning that if the son can't pass PICS, the FFL can't give it back to the NY resident directly. It would have to be shipped to a NY FFL.

For two PA residents, if the buyer fails PICS, then the seller has to pass PICS to get the gun back. It sometimes happens that neither of them can pass PICS, leaving them in an awkward position. The FFL has no choice, the law requires him to do a PICS check on any transferee, and the FFL has to retain the gun, and work out a deal to sell it on consignment.

Worse, our govt decided to bear down hard on everyone who fails PICS, and they have been vigorously prosecuting most of them. It's a felony to make a false statement to an FFL in this context. A prohibited seller who has to get his own gun back due to the buyer being denied, can be charged with lying to the FFL, as well as being a prohibited person in possession. The buyer can be charged as well.

It pays to do your research and be sure of the answers to all the questions on the 4473. Here's the form:

https://www.atf.gov/files/forms/down...f-f-4473-1.pdf

[Gretep21]

To add some more info that I was given today..

From my understanding..

The gun still belongs to my grandfather's estate. When he died, it was never transferred to anyone directly yet. How does this process change if it was given to me from the estate.