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    Default ATF ruling......

    I guess this puts a damper on things for some people:

    http://www.atf.gov/sites/default/fil...unsmithing.pdf

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    Default Re: ATF ruling......

    Saw that one coming.
    I turned down several requests to set up 80% receivers in anticipation of the atfe noticing the market trend.
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    Default Re: ATF ruling......

    The summation here seems to be only that shops can't allow unlicensed individuals to bring in "80%" receiver blanks and use the shop's machinery to complete them.

    Ok. Is there more that I missed?
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    Default Re: ATF ruling......

    Quote Originally Posted by Sam1911 View Post
    The summation here seems to be only that shops can't allow unlicensed individuals to bring in "80%" receiver blanks and use the shop's machinery to complete them.

    Ok. Is there more that I missed?
    That's looks like the scoop of it to me also.

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    Default Re: ATF ruling......

    And it is their first ruling of the year. I bet there are folks there that have been excited to release this.

    Glad I have a drill press, cross slide vice and some end mills.

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    Default Re: ATF ruling......

    Right. It doesn't seem to come any closer to trying to say a non-licensee cannot build, or complete, his own firearm or firearm receiver.

    It was already pretty clear that parts sellers or gun dealers couldn't construct guns for people without being manufacturers, and that gunsmiths couldn't take chunks (what we'd call "80% receiver blanks") and finish them out into functional receivers for people without that license (and marking the gun as required for any manufacturer-made firearm).

    This just further clarifies that bringing people into your shop and letting them push the buttons on your CNC machine isn't a legitimate way to get around those restrictions.



    (Accepting that the entire GCA licensing scheme should be thrown out and stomped on as garbage) This isn't a very big deal.
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    Default Re: ATF ruling......

    How would this effect a "build party"?

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    Default Re: ATF ruling......

    Quote Originally Posted by verbious View Post
    How would this effect a "build party"?
    if you mean a few buddys hanging out in a garage and using non cnc tools to build, I dont believe it changes anything. IF you are talking about being a lazy ass and just wanting to push a button and have a finished lower pop out..... thats a NO GO.

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    Default Re: ATF ruling......

    I wonder how this would affect 3D printing manufacturing? That is essentially the same as a CNC machine.

    The ruling seems to focus on whether there is a business involved. If I own a machine shop that is an operating business, I can't allow you to use my machines to manufacture a "firearm". If I have a Bridgeport in my garage that I use for my own hobby, I could. Maybe...

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    Default Re: ATF ruling......

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeB0 View Post
    I wonder how this would affect 3D printing manufacturing? That is essentially the same as a CNC machine..
    IMO nothing changes, you cant build guns for others without a license. I for one dont want any "gun" that is printed. (parts like grips etc. could be ok)

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