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  1. #1
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    Default Permit to Carry Requirements for Recently Moved

    My family and I recently moved to beautiful PA from bitterly cold MN. I had my permit to carry in MN which required a permit to carry a handgun course from a certified instructor, range test, and $100 fee (plus instructor fee). The permit itself from my former county's sheriff's office cost another $100. Expensive, tedious, but helpful and worth it.

    I did as much research as I could online for Tioga County. It appeared that I would be able to go and apply for my permit here as I currently meet every requirement I could find. Went to the sheriff's office today and was denied my application because Tioga County requires new moves from out of state to reside in the county for 1 year by their PA Driver's License before they will process the application. This was news to me. I still cannot find this information anywhere online.

    Just curious if anyone on here knows when, how, and why this restriction was added to the process. Pennsylvania is a "shall issue" state yet it appears that an unnecessary restriction has been put in place. Would like to know more about this. Seems like the required background check (which I absolutely agree with) negates the need for this restriction.

    Certainly bummed and mildly frustrated. Just wanting to better understand. Thank you in advance for any help!

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    Default Re: Permit to Carry Requirements for Recently Moved

    There is no basis in the law for such a waiting period. Similar restrictions have in fact been shot down when some states tried to impose waiting periods for Welfare benefit eligibility; it's a violation of the Constitution to discriminate like this against some residents.

    Read this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shapiro_v._Thompson
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    Default Re: Permit to Carry Requirements for Recently Moved

    Thank you very much for the reply. This is good information. Now, I just need to figure out what to do with it. Any suggestions?

    I'm thinking about visiting the sheriff's office again to ask some polite questions regarding the history of the restriction and how I would go about contesting it. Again, thank you for the reply.

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    Default Re: Permit to Carry Requirements for Recently Moved

    Quote Originally Posted by Psalm82 View Post
    Thank you very much for the reply. This is good information. Now, I just need to figure out what to do with it. Any suggestions?

    I'm thinking about visiting the sheriff's office again to ask some polite questions regarding the history of the restriction and how I would go about contesting it. Again, thank you for the reply.
    Maybe you could ASK a lawyer to ask those questions for you. Don't know how much it would cost you, but you could ASK.
    IANAL. I don't give legal advice. I'm only stating my OPINION.
    (Did I really need to say that on an Internet forum? LOL)

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    Default Re: Permit to Carry Requirements for Recently Moved

    Read this thread: http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-ope...my-ccw-pa.html

    Pay attention to the posts by Ironsight, he had a good course of action that is suspect of effecting change in Allegheny county.
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    Default Re: Permit to Carry Requirements for Recently Moved

    Wow, this seems to be a bigger issue than I originally thought.

    streaker69, thank you for the link to this other thread. Amazing how similar the circumstances are. I'm going to follow Ironsight's lead and also submit a request for additional information.

    Due to my job, I can't go back to the court house until Monday. I'm planning on going back to ask some clarifying questions about this. I'll post what I learn after that communication.

    Thank you, everyone. Good to know that I'm not the only one scratching my head over this.

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    Default Re: Permit to Carry Requirements for Recently Moved

    Welcome to PA and PAFAO!
    Did you leave the Liberal Minnesota nanny-state baggage at the border?

    County sheriff is an elected position.
    And in PA, he is NOT the chief law enforcement officer!

    PA sheriffs have very limited enforcement activities.
    There are several threads on that subject here.

    So, if you decide to get active, you are not likely to suffer official or unofficial repercussions.
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    Default Re: Permit to Carry Requirements for Recently Moved

    Quote Originally Posted by Psalm82 View Post
    ...because Tioga County requires new moves from out of state to reside in the county for 1 year by their PA Driver's License before they will process the application. This was news to me. I still cannot find this information anywhere online.
    Among other things, that creates the requirement to HAVE a PA driver's license before getting an LTCF. I don't believe there is any basis in the law that establishes this requirement.

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