Cuomo vows "Safe act II" if re-elected

[Yellowfin]

The biggest problem with NY is NYC and the surrounding counties. The liberal leftists run the state...

New York - 19.65 Million

New York City - 8.4 Million
Suffolk County - 1.5 Million
Nassau County - 1.352 Million
Westchester County - 968,802
Rockland County - 320,903

Total - 12.5 Million - 63% of NYS is NYC (and surrounding)

Add in the rest of the liberals scattered about and that says it all.

The problem is only maybe 1/4 that. The major 3/4 of the problem is that those who aren't liberal city idiots don't communicate with those who are to change the ideas they've been fed. NY's gun owners don't stand up for themselves worth a f*** when it comes to talking to THE PEOPLE WHO FUND the politicians.

Why has nobody figured that out and worked on solving THAT problem? COMMUNICATE WITH NON GUN OWNERS TO GET THEM TO OUR SIDE. PARTICULARLY INFLUENTIAL ONES! Is someone paying off the people who are supposed to be our activists and advocates to deliberately suck at doing their job?

[Gman106]

The thing is, these measures nakedly target and hamstring legal gun owners and do absolutely nothing to stop or prevent illegal gun use and crime. Ironically, this may be it's ultimate undoing. If the goal is truly "stopping gun violence while respecting the 2nd amendment," even the most brain dead low-information voter who just wants to avoid another Sandy Hook should be able to plainly see and understand this does not do that.

[Phillygunguy]

Cuomo or Mussolini as I call him must be defeated, in fact all democrat governors who pushed gun control like Chickenpooper in CO Malloy in CT and other dictators need to go so we can hopefully put fear in Wolf if he wins

[Yellowfin]

The thing is, these measures nakedly target and hamstring legal gun owners and do absolutely nothing to stop or prevent illegal gun use and crime. Ironically, this may be it's ultimate undoing. If the goal is truly "stopping gun violence while respecting the 2nd amendment," even the most brain dead low-information voter who just wants to avoid another Sandy Hook should be able to plainly see and understand this does not do that.

The problem is that those same brain dead low information voters have been told that there's nothing good about guns, legal gun owners, or ownership. It's not what the politicians say today, it's about what they've heard their whole lives. They don't care about how factually incorrect the justification is, because it doesn't matter. Honesty isn't a priority to people who are taught to want reshaping of society to exclude us. To them even the flimsiest clear BS is fine for them because it costs them nothing because they don't see that there's any loss to reduced and impaired legal gun ownership.

It's because none of us have ever taught them differently. US, YOU AND ME, IN PERSON.

Just this past weekend I was spending time with my rather egregiously misinformed inlaws. One agreed to go to the range with my wife and me, purely as a courtesy of course to not have to choose between forfeited time and sitting home with her. She had never actually seen anyone shoot before or any other first hand contact with gun ownership or use. Obviously she knew of my wife and I being gun owners and regular shooters, but never developed much vocabulary on the matter and doesn't speak about it. REALLY awkward. But hey, first step so it's a start.

We had a pleasant drive to our club, but with surprisingly little conversation. I rather firmly asked her what the problem was. Still the "I just don't like guns. I don't like what they do..." tripe. I asked her what she ACTUALLY knew and first hand experience she ACTUALLY had, what information she had that wasn't from the news and television. No answer. I asked again. She absolutely would not even answer the question--either she knew she was being childish, clearly refusing to think, or some kind of hardening to interrogation. She was instantly scared of rifle blasts up at the rifle line even while we were driving in. At first she was so averse to things she stood as far away as possible from the table my wife and I had our pistols laid out upon, as if avoiding toxic waste. I moved a bench forward for her to at least sit down and be comfortable, to which she was hesitant at first to even do but eventually did. I took apart my G34 to show her how things worked, that it was just parts. She wouldn't even touch a disassembled part, even scooted herself away on the bench in fear like she was avoiding a bug. She sat there scrunched up like a scared child in a corner during a tornado siren.

Eventually she calmed down but still very negative, very stuck on whatever bull**** had been fed to her for however many decades. Still wouldn't help load magazines, nothing, just sat there useless and hiding behind sunglasses, saying nothing. This is a person who usually is happy, enthusiastic, friendly, cheerful, and couldn't shut up for 90 consecutive seconds if her life and ten million dollars depended on it. Someone who if they walk in the door instantly wants to help WITH ANYTHING. Also someone who considers herself "open minded" and "tolerant" and goes out of her way to be as non-offensive, happy friendly as possible--being a nursery school teacher no less, used to dealing with screaming kids who crap their pants, spit and puke, and all manner of other unpleasantries. Yet you'd swear she was awaiting her own death sentence or a cancer diagnosis. I asked her now and then how she was, if anything was wrong, talked a little bit about the fundamentals I was working on, etc. Still not much of anything as a response. Again, from someone who will talk for hours on end about jibberish about baby showers, weddings, lives of families of 3-5 year olds, etc, details of grocery store items and clothes on sale for blah blah blah....INFINITE capacity for detail, clearly razor sharp memory...yet, nothing.

My wife had more ability to reach her, showing her a bit more, walking to and from the targets to show her how she was doing, talk about safety, purpose of .22LR, etc. and seemed better, but still not great. Maybe got a single question from her, but not much more. But at least it's a beginning. There will be much, much more to do.

It's the symbolic fear and hate of guns, and us as an extension, that our enemies have put into people that is the real problem we're dealing with, not locations. It's not geography, it's cultural isolation caused by laws and stigma excluding us from places and our own side's unwillingness to cross the picket line, so to speak. It seems evident that so many of the ninny types take an anorexic view of guns: they want to think themselves as being "good", avoiding harm to themselves and others, avoiding legal troubles, and all the bad things they hear and associate with guns by being as far removed from them and us as possible. Somehow avoiding the "evil" object makes them "good" in their own mind. It's exactly how an anorexic person who doesn't eat wants to be healthy and not fat thus wants to be as far from it as possible, ignoring that doing so will hurt their body far worse than eating a normal amount will. They put all kinds of superstitious symbolism into the object as if it were somehow an embodiment of all evil. And it's like they're attached to believing it, like it's part of their identity to believe that guns are bad and thus owning, using, or even touching one would make THEM turn into someone bad. I honestly think the in-law in question was thinking like that, being Catholic and thus inclined to the whole icon/relic symbolism over substance kind of thinking. Probably also misled by the liberal Catholic pacifism/helplessness as a virtue nonsense, guilt complex, etc. This is a DEEP, PROFOUND personal problem. It's not a "just the way people are" kind of thing. That's genuine mental illness, or at very least an illness of the conscience, a shallow, vapid false sense of morality. It's absolutely the kind of prejudice we say is absolutely wrong in every other instance.

That is what we have to root out of people's minds. No, we cannot write off the cities. No, we cannot simply throw our hands up and just accept it and bend over--I AM NOT GOING TO BE RUN OUT OF THE HOUSE I JUST MOVED INTO, AND NO F***ING WAY AM I GOING TO LET THEM TURN PA INTO NEW YORK. No, we cannot simply shout at politicians, put up signs, etc.--that's what the people protesting Cuomo did and look what they got. We have to change people--yes it can be done, yes some people are stupid but very few as a percentage are incurably so, and we absolutely must. EVERY SINGLE ONE we must try. We must go to them, yes even go into NYC, but at least first into Philly, Pittsburgh, Lancaster, Scranton, Media, Bryn Mawr, Narberth, Aardmore, Yardley, etc. EVERY SINGLE ONE.

If it takes the second, third, tenth, twentieth, or seventy seventh time asking. EVERY SINGLE ONE.

Jennifer Jacques agrees: http://gunsandcurves.com/opendialogue/

In part one of this bloggerdoodle, I covered why Gun Grabbers Think Hot Suburban Women Are Monsters , now the question is how do we get more people to recognize what we’re trying to do in extending the Right to Carry to more states and more people?

I talk to my Dad about gun rights all the time and he always says, “You’re preaching to the choir.” and he’s exactly right: We spend a lot of time talking to fellow 2A supporters and nodding in agreement with those on our side. While this does serve the purpose of assuring ourselves that we’re not alone, we’re not changing any minds or attitudes toward gun ownership and the right to carry.

So for starters, I talk to EVERYONE, much to my family’s chagrin, and I honestly don’t care about what response I get – I’m from Wisconsin and I’m overly nice, have a funny accent and genuinely like to talk! If I can talk to you for a minute in line at the local grocery store or strike up a conversation at a coffee shop, this is what is going to make a dent in their argument.

People who have met me see exactly who I am, there’s no distortion. I’m obviously a Mom with kids in tow, I’m not a hideous monster or a crazy, deranged Bible-thumping (I read my bible, I don’t thump it) idiot looking to shoot up an abortion clinic or march against homosexuals. I’m a nice, articulate lady. I am active in my community. I am a runner. I like to read. I am an apheresis donor at the Red Cross. I donate to the March of Dimes. I volunteer at my kid’s school. I attend a Bible study (they don’t thump either). I nag about laundry and cleaning and all the trappings of motherhood that I secretly adore because without my them, I wouldn’t have my family. If I weren’t ever to bring up politics or world views, I’m sure we’d all be great friends.

That’s where people have failed. The old saying “never talk about religion or politics” was the beginning of political correctness and it’s dead wrong. We NEED to talk about religion or at a minimum, the moral imperative of today’s world. We absolutely need to talk about politics because both parties have gone SO far off the track, that I don’t even recognize our own government. This also applies to gun rights.

[Berks_Iraq_Vet]

Will. Not. Comply. Fuck you Wolf and ALL liberal/ progressive POS's..

[rckeystone]

This guy is unbelievable!

He's a sfachime like his father. I don't expect anything different from him.

[Phillygunguy]

Will. Not. Comply. Fuck you Wolf and ALL liberal/ progressive POS's..

Same here No compliance I'd rather die first

[Yellowfin]

Same here No compliance I'd rather die first

That's the fashionable answer. Given that it's less harsh than dying, will you look up donors to specific PA state senators, call them, sit down with them for a beer or dinner, and talk to them about gun ownership? Surely, that's easier than dying, right? You WOULD try the non-death option first, right, given that you love your family and I would hope to some degree your own life?

How about the rest of everyone here? You WOULD hold up a rifle to a cop or soldier trying to unlawfully kick you and your family out of your house for being a gun owner and/or trying to take your guns from you, but will you talk to political donors, who the politicians listen to and obey, thus are the real people threatening your guns and your life? Better question: HAVE you done that, not just say you will?

[Didnotcomply89]

Corbett hasn't hurt anyone. The only attack him for school funding which is complete BS and they just want more pension money.

I strongly disagree with that statement. However, the DNC is lying to America and has a declared war on guns.

Will. Not. Comply. Fuck you Wolf and ALL liberal/ progressive POS's..

I strongly agree with this statement

[Phillygunguy]

That's the fashionable answer. Given that it's less harsh than dying, will you look up donors to specific PA state senators, call them, sit down with them for a beer or dinner, and talk to them about gun ownership? Surely, that's easier than dying, right? You WOULD try the non-death option first, right, given that you love your family and I would hope to some degree your own life?

How about the rest of everyone here? You WOULD hold up a rifle to a cop or soldier trying to unlawfully kick you and your family out of your house for being a gun owner and/or trying to take your guns from you, but will you talk to political donors, who the politicians listen to and obey, thus are the real people threatening your guns and your life? Better question: HAVE you done that, not just say you will?

Where are these donors? You mean Bloomberg or Buffett or Bill Gates will sit down and have a beer with us? I got news for you most anti gun politicians and supporters think of us, not just gun owners but conservatives the way the Nazis did the Jews. When you have people that say it's the NRAs fault we have Ebola, and flat out calling for the death of gun owners and conservatives how exactly does having a " beer summit" solve our problems?