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    Default Phila PD Sergeant Under Investigation After Turning Over Stolen Gun **UPDATE**



    A Philadelphia Police sergeant is under investigation by the department’s Internal Affairs division after he allegedly hid his identity while turning in several guns to the force -- including one that was reported stolen.
    But that officer says he was simply trying to make the community safer.

    Sgt. Brandon Ruff, who served in the 16th District, is now on desk duty as the probe is carried out.
    On the evening of August 3, Ruff walked into the 35th District in North Philadelphia carrying a bag containing three guns. He tells NBC10.com that a community member, in a different part of the city, needed help getting them to authorities.

    Ruff, who himself runs the nonprofit Devoted Dads Inc., said the man had been buying the weapons from neighborhood kids in an effort to get them off the streets.

    “I was working with this guy. He said he was interested in submitting firearms to me because he’d rather the kids have money to eat,” he told NBC10.com. He would not identify the man.

    In plain clothes and failing to identify himself as an officer, Ruff tried to anonymously turn in the guns. However, he says district police on-duty that night repeatedly asked for his information and where he obtained the weapons.

    “I said ‘You don’t need my information.’ I asked for a supervisor. I was not acting as a police officer at the time,” he said. “I’m just doing this anonymously in good faith.”

    The 8-year police veteran says he then went to leave the district headquarters at Broad and Champlost Streets to get the information when several officers approached him from behind outside.

    “One officer says ‘I’m f-ing tasing you.’ I said, ‘If you tase me, I’m going to sue you,” he said with two Tasers pressed up against his body.
    Ruff said he identified himself as an officer, but that the proof was in his pocket, which he could not reach.

    Officers then noticed the man’s personal firearms on his hip and disarmed him. Ruff said he was brought back into the precinct and treated poorly during questioning. He claims one officer called him a “piece of s---” and “disgrace to the job.”

    Ruff said he was detained for seven hours until, around 1:30 a.m. that Monday, Internal Affairs detectives told him he was being investigated and taken off the street. He was stripped of his police firearm, as is protocol, and sent home.

    “I just started crying uncontrollably,” he said. “I couldn’t believe that the people that I call my brothers would treat me this way.”
    Law enforcement sources tell NBC10.com that ballistics showed one of the guns was reported stolen during a past burglary. The other two guns are said to be undergoing testing to find out where they came from.
    A Philadelphia Police spokesperson confirmed that Ruff was the subject of an internal investigation, but would not elaborate on the details citing department policy. Officials would not say whether Ruff is suspected of any wrongdoing. The Fraternal Order of Police, the officer’s union, did not respond to a request for comment.

    Illegal guns have been a major issue for Philadelphia, like many large U.S. cities. Last year, 1,128 people were shot and 201 died at the end of a gun barrel.

    Those numbers were down 11 percent from 2012, however. City leaders have made a big push in recent years to crack down on illegal guns with tougher prosecution and new policing tactics.

    Still, police say buying firearms on the street, despite good intentions to get them out of the hands of teens, is illegal.

    Ruff believes he and the community member were simply doing the responsible thing. Asked why he chose to turn in the guns as a civilian and not a member of the law, Ruff said he didn’t want the teens involved to be “blacklisted” for life.

    “I’m thinking, ‘He’s coming to me in confidence. Let’s get these guns off the streets,’” he said.

    Philadelphia Police do not have a policy requiring citizens turning over firearms to provide a name, contact information and how they obtained the weapon. But a police spokesperson says officers use their own discretion as to whether to question individuals. They say in Ruff’s case, officers were suspicious about the situation and thus asked for information.
    The man said had this situation happened at his district, the 16th, he would have never treated a person the same way.

    “If an 80-year-old grandmother had come down to my district and tried to turn in a gun, I wouldn’t be hounding her,” he said.
    Ruff says he’s been traumatized by the entire experience and has not been able to return to work since the investigation began. He’s not sure about his future with the department.
    “I just want them to investigate it fairly,” he said. “Helping the community has been my passion since I’ve been on the job.”

    http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/...271275051.html

    **UPDATE**
    Sergeant Who Turned Over Stolen Gun Sues Philly Police Department

    Wednesday, Aug 27, 2014 • Updated at 12:23 AM EDT
    A Philadelphia Police sergeant who allegedly hid his identity while turning in several guns to the force is now suing his department, according to a report from the Philadelphia Daily News.

    The Daily News reports that Sgt. Brandon Ruff, who served in the 16th District, filed a lawsuit Monday against the Philadelphia Police Department for false arrest and other alleged civil rights violations.

    On the evening of August 3, Ruff walked into the 35th District in North Philadelphia carrying a bag containing three guns. He tells NBC10.com that a community member, in a different part of the city, needed help getting them to authorities.

    Ruff, who himself runs the nonprofit Devoted Dads Inc., said the man had been buying the weapons from neighborhood kids in an effort to get them off the streets.

    “I was working with this guy. He said he was interested in submitting firearms to me because he’d rather the kids have money to eat,” he told NBC10.com. He would not identify the man.
    In plain clothes and failing to identify himself as an officer, Ruff tried to anonymously turn in the guns. However, he says district police on-duty that night repeatedly asked for his information and where he obtained the weapons.


    “I said ‘You don’t need my information.’ I asked for a supervisor. I was not acting as a police officer at the time,” he said. “I’m just doing this anonymously in good faith.”

    The 8-year police veteran says he then went to leave the district headquarters at Broad and Champlost Streets to get the information when several officers approached him from behind outside.
    “One officer says ‘I’m f-ing tasing you.’ I said, ‘If you tase me, I’m going to sue you,” he said with two Tasers pressed up against his body.
    Ruff said he identified himself as an officer, but that the proof was in his pocket, which he could not reach.

    Officers then noticed the man’s personal firearms on his hip and disarmed him. Ruff said he was brought back into the precinct and treated poorly during questioning. He claims one officer called him a “piece of s---” and “disgrace to the job.”

    Ruff said he was detained for seven hours until, around 1:30 a.m. that Monday, Internal Affairs detectives told him he was being investigated and taken off the street. He was stripped of his police firearm, as is protocol, and sent home.

    “I just started crying uncontrollably,” he said. “I couldn’t believe that the people that I call my brothers would treat me this way.”

    Law enforcement sources tell NBC10.com that ballistics showed one of the guns was reported stolen during a past burglary. The other two guns are said to be undergoing testing to find out where they came from.

    A Philadelphia Police spokesperson confirmed that Ruff was the subject of an internal investigation, but would not elaborate on the details citing department policy. Officials would not say whether Ruff is suspected of any wrongdoing. The Fraternal Order of Police, the officer’s union, did not respond to a request for comment. Ruff was placed on desk duty after the investigation began.

    Illegal guns have been a major issue for Philadelphia, like many large U.S. cities. Last year, 1,128 people were shot and 201 died at the end of a gun barrel.

    Those numbers were down 11 percent from 2012, however. City leaders have made a big push in recent years to crack down on illegal guns with tougher prosecution and new policing tactics.

    Still, police say buying firearms on the street, despite good intentions to get them out of the hands of teens, is illegal.

    Ruff believes he and the community member were simply doing the responsible thing. Asked why he chose to turn in the guns as a civilian and not a member of the law, Ruff said he didn’t want the teens involved to be “blacklisted” for life.

    “I’m thinking, ‘He’s coming to me in confidence. Let’s get these guns off the streets,’” he said.

    Philadelphia Police do not have a policy requiring citizens turning over firearms to provide a name, contact information and how they obtained the weapon. But a police spokesperson says officers use their own discretion as to whether to question individuals. They say in Ruff’s case, officers were suspicious about the situation and thus asked for information.

    The man said had this situation happened at his district, the 16th, he would have never treated a person the same way.
    “If an 80-year-old grandmother had come down to my district and tried to turn in a gun, I wouldn’t be hounding her,” he said.
    Ruff says he’s been traumatized by the entire experience and has not been able to return to work since the investigation began. He’s not sure about his future with the department.

    “I just want them to investigate it fairly,” he said. “Helping the community has been my passion since I’ve been on the job.”
    Philadelphia Police have not yet responded to his lawsuit.

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    Default Re: Philadelphia Police Sergeant Under Investigation After Turning Over Stolen Gun

    Law enforcement sources tell NBC10.com that ballistics showed one of the guns was reported stolen during a past burglary. The other two guns are said to be undergoing testing to find out where they came from.
    Ballistics showed a gun was reported stolen testing to find out where they came from ballistics and testing must be code for illegal registry. Oh right it's not complete so as long as we have one gun not on the list it's ok.
    Funny how cops handle the news that it's only a job and how quick they can be thrown out of the club. Buy backs are always illegal but when the top brass is scoring democrat points they all look the other way. Let's call it desecration shall we. This is how you would be treated if you try to set up down the street from a buy back. We should try to end buy backs by showing the hypocrisy and the illegal nature of them.

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    Default Re: Philadelphia Police Sergeant Under Investigation After Turning Over Stolen Gun

    We only have one side of the story. Anyone in the 16th police district and can verify how your treated there?

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    Default Re: Philadelphia Police Sergeant Under Investigation After Turning Over Stolen Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Qtrborecrazy View Post
    We only have one side of the story. Anyone in the 16th police district and can verify how your treated there?
    We have the only side of the story. Cops' side. Cops came together, one or all of them were scumbags or one or all of them were lying scumbags.

    Which side of the story is going to change those possibilities?

    There were no non-cops involved in this event.

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    Default Re: Philadelphia Police Sergeant Under Investigation After Turning Over Stolen Gun

    Charge him, let the courts sort it it. His good intentions don't mean shit under the color of the law.
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    Default Re: Philadelphia Police Sergeant Under Investigation After Turning Over Stolen Gun

    That won't happen. Cops don't get charged unless they kill someone. Or, in the case of Warminster, there is ZERO accountability. Corruption rules the day!

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    Default Re: Philadelphia Police Sergeant Under Investigation After Turning Over Stolen Gun

    He should have just driven to NJ and turned them in to the first cop he saw.

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    Default Re: Philadelphia Police Sergeant Under Investigation After Turning Over Stolen Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by free View Post
    He should have just driven to NJ and turned them in to the first cop he saw.
    No, he should have just waited until the next buyback and turned them in for a few $50 gift cards, lol.

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    Default Re: Philadelphia Police Sergeant Under Investigation After Turning Over Stolen Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by jerkin View Post
    No, he should have just waited until the next buyback and turned them in for a few $50 gift cards, lol.
    ^^ This, isn't there one coming up in Allentown next week ? ^^

    Would have been a little ride up the turnpike.

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    Default Re: Philadelphia Police Sergeant Under Investigation After Turning Over Stolen Gun

    I really don't care what he did with the guns and whether or not he broke a law unless he was trying to circumvent justice in some manner.

    Gun buybacks are illegal. What he did was no less legal.

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