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    Default Are the two separate Ref. sheets still required in Philly?

    Has there been any change to that requirement since the recent lawsuit victory? I still see it listed on the Phila. LTCF application site.
    Thanks!

    Tmygun

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    Default Re: Are the two separate Ref. sheets still required in Philly?

    There has never been a legal requirement to fill out anything other than the state police issued, standardized (1) page LTCF application that every county in the state uses.

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    Default Re: Are the two separate Ref. sheets still required in Philly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tmygun View Post
    Yes, but as was recently witnessed, it took a lawsuit to make them (if indeed they do) comply. The Philly site still says that you will be denied if you don't have the two ref. sheets filled out.
    Let them deny you for not filling out an illegal form
    Law requires a certified letter stating reason for denial
    Sue them with letter as evidence
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    Default Re: Are the two separate Ref. sheets still required in Philly?

    They probably mean they will deny to accept your application until you comply with their "rules"

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    Default Re: Are the two separate Ref. sheets still required in Philly?

    Quote Originally Posted by HiredGoon View Post
    They probably mean they will deny to accept your application until you comply with their "rules"
    A lawyer's advice if that's the case:
    Quote Originally Posted by GunLawyer001 View Post
    This is a common trick in departments that don't like to obey the law. If they don't accept the application then they don't have to reject it and comply with the certified letter, statement of specific reason, and appeal-by-right provision.

    I'd take the application in with a printout of the PA law, demand that they accept it, and write down the name of the official who refuses, along with the date and time. Then treat it as a constructive denial and go to L&I with an appeal.
    I am not a lawyer. Nothing I say or write is legal advice.

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    Default Re: Are the two separate Ref. sheets still required in Philly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tmygun View Post
    Has there been any change to that requirement since the recent lawsuit victory? I still see it listed on the Phila. LTCF application site.
    Thanks!

    Tmygun
    When I applied on 6/24/14..... Yes. Ref needed

    When I picked up my permit on 7/22/14.... YES... Still needed

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    Default Re: Are the two separate Ref. sheets still required in Philly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Im not Batman View Post
    When I applied on 6/24/14..... Yes. Ref needed

    When I picked up my permit on 7/22/14.... YES... Still needed
    Wait, it took less than 30 days in Philly.

    What's the world coming to.





    On a serious note, I thought it said the judge still has to sign the order.

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    Default Re: Are the two separate Ref. sheets still required in Philly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carson View Post
    Wait, it took less than 30 days in Philly.

    What's the world coming to.





    On a serious note, I thought it said the judge still has to sign the order.
    I have a few things working in my favor. I work in show biz...Rock n Roll actually...and have a SS clearance as I need it to work the shows in D. C.

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