Moms Demand Action in Belgium

[GeneCC]

I'm kidding.... they don't care about Belgium. Belgium has "gun control". They had a "mass shooting" (three or more people).

Belgium Gun Control is not working too well, is it?

Three people were killed and another was seriously injured in a shooting Saturday at the Jewish Museum of Belgium in Brussels, Belgian officials said.

A person arrived by car at the museum in central Brussels, entered and quickly opened fire before leaving the scene, Belgian Interior Minister Joelle Milquet told CNN affiliate Bel RTL.

The circumstances of the shooting have raised suspicions that it may have been an anti-Semitic attack, but no motive has been determined.

The shooter remains at large, and the nation's terror alert level was raised. Belgian public broadcaster RTBF quoted Brussels Mayor Yvan Mayeur as saying those killed were two men and a woman, while a man was seriously injured at the museum, which is near the tourist sites.

Two of the dead were Israelis -- a couple in their 50's from Tel Aviv, Israel's foreign ministry said Sunday.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/24/world/...seum-shooting/

[ALS]

You should see the homicide rates on the Island of Corsica with France's tough gun laws. Corsica has the highest murder rate in the E.U..
One half of one percent of Frances population yet is responsible for twenty percent of the murders in the country.

[Metz]

You should see the homicide rates in UK. According to the official stats, they had 722 homicides last year, which makes it 4 times less than in the US. However, out of curiocity I went to their analog of CDC and checked the death statistics. In addition to those 722 murders, they have over 2000 otherwise violent deaths with "undetermined intent" (like accidentaly fell on the knife 6 times). That just didnt go into the stats. Combine these two and UK and US rates will match.

[jlb0305]

You should see the homicide rates in UK. According to the official stats, they had 722 homicides last year, which makes it 4 times less than in the US. However, out of curiocity I went to their analog of CDC and checked the death statistics. In addition to those 722 murders, they have over 2000 otherwise violent deaths with "undetermined intent" (like accidentaly fell on the knife 6 times). That just didnt go into the stats. Combine these two and UK and US rates will match.

Idk where you read your stuff but what I found is that per capita US is way less than UK for muder/violent crime. UK its just more from blunt force or knives. Surpised they haven't banned hammers and baseball/cricket bats yet.

Bottom line people in generally violent by nature and you take away one tool they will use another. The difference is as a tool a gun in the hands of the innocent can also deter or end the crimes. (or end the criminal who may have otherwise proceeded to commit more crimes).

[Metz]

Idk where you read your stuff but what I fou that per capita US is way less than UK for muder/violent crime. UK its just more from blunt force or knives. Surpised they haven't banned hammers and baseball/cricket bats yet.

Bottom line people in generally violent by nature and you take away one tool they will use another. The difference is as a tool a gun in the hands of the innocent can also deter or end the crimes. (or end the criminal who may have otherwise proceeded to commit more crimes).

Officially, UK murder rate is way less than ours, but other crimes, including violent, are 2-3 times higher. Interesting way, how they manipulated their burglary stats, that was and still is sky high. They simply toned it down to vandalism. A petty crime, that isn't represented in comparison by country stats. Check nationmaster or any other similar site. UK is simply not present for most of the categories.

[Philbert]

You should see the homicide rates in UK. According to the official stats, they had 722 homicides last year, which makes it 4 times less than in the US. However, out of curiocity I went to their analog of CDC and checked the death statistics. In addition to those 722 murders, they have over 2000 otherwise violent deaths with "undetermined intent" (like accidentaly fell on the knife 6 times). That just didnt go into the stats. Combine these two and UK and US rates will match.

Undetermined violent deaths could include a lot of suicides.

It's easy to get things wrong because every country has a different standard for classifying things. For a long time England didn't count terrorist activity in their murder stats.

[Metz]

Undetermined violent deaths could include a lot of suicides.

True. But ICD-10 (that my findings were based upon) has shit load of suicide related diagnoses. And I'm sure there are quite few suicides under the undetermined intent category. However, knowing how Brits like to downtone their crime stats, I wonder about their SOP for the distribution of undetermines

[Ecclectic Collector]

Agree with Metz: the UK has a long history of massaging crime stats to suit political agenda.

In the 1980s they excluded ALL shootings in Northern Ireland in their official crime reports. I forget the BS line used to justify this, but it had something to do with hiding the ongoing murder/shootings relating to civil strife there by calling it something other than criminal acts.

If one reads the BBC online daily you can see how crime stats are continuously manipulated. Gun Crime is now defined as vandalism with a BB gun and things like shooting rural road signs make national news. So why is misuse of airguns reported as criminal firearms use: there is a national push to register/license all airguns. Just about once a month some idiot will repeat how a child was accidentally killed by an airgun shot to the eye in 2005.

So go figure where the agenda is now. Of course Brit media loves to hate all gun ownership.

[Yellowfin]

Ya know I'd expect Belgium of all countries to be the least inclined towards being restrictive towards gun ownership given their history.

[Metz]

BTW, here is the link to the UK mortality statistics.

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/publicatio...cm%3A77-325289