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    Default Re: PA no longer recognizing Utah Non-Res permits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Metz View Post
    Ruined? I wish. She'll probably come up as the one, who stands tall against the evil NRA.
    16 hands really isn't that tall.

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    Default Re: PA no longer recognizing Utah Non-Res permits?

    Quote Originally Posted by sprrdhawk44 View Post
    My understanding is that an AG has the authority to enter and leave reciprocity agreements. What she doesn't have authority to do, is modify them. Kane is a complete and total piece of dog shit, though, so I wouldn't put anything past her.
    She only has the authority to enter into them. The modification and termination of agreements is left up to the legislators which is why there is such a problem with her terminating agreements.
    Obligatory IANAL!

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    (By the power of truth, I while living have conquered the universe)

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    Default Re: PA no longer recognizing Utah Non-Res permits?

    Quote Originally Posted by sprrdhawk44 View Post
    Do we have any statements released from Kane's office? I can't find anything official about when/how this happened?



    Try to build the map again, it shows that Utah is recognized. I've received nothing from the BCI stating that PA has changed anything. Something doesn't smell right here.
    The map shows that Utah recognizes PA permit. You
    Need to click on Utah to see which states recognize UT and PA is now colored red.

    The PA state page shows utah as a state for which "pa residents may apply"

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    Default Utah

    I just heard that PA does not recognize Utah CC permitt. Looked on PA's web site and Utah is no longer listed. What's up?

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    Default Re: PA no longer recognizing Utah Non-Res permits?

    When was the change made?
    Was there an official announcement, proclamation, an explanation, Handgunlaw.com used as a basis to find the change? A modification other than the subtle change in the PA Attorney General's reciprocity website?

    The Utah Department of Public Safety still indicates reciprocity with Pennsylvania.

    Were we supposed to figure this out without a public announcement?

    What has changed, legally, beyond the PA Attorney General's personal attitude and subsequent meddling, for a legal basis for this change?

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    Default Re: PA no longer recognizing Utah Non-Res permits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Klyde View Post
    What has changed, legally, beyond the PA Attorney General's personal attitude and subsequent meddling, for a legal basis for this change?
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    Default Re: Utah

    IANAL. I don't give legal advice. I'm only stating my OPINION.
    (Did I really need to say that on an Internet forum? LOL)

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    Default Re: Utah

    Our attorney general is making it impossible for non residents to carry here with out of state permits. If you have a permit from your home state you can apply here in Pa. Cheap and easy to get.

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    Default Re: PA no longer recognizing Utah Non-Res permits?

    Quote Originally Posted by sprrdhawk44 View Post
    Do we have any statements released from Kane's office? I can't find anything official about when/how this happened?



    Try to build the map again, it shows that Utah is recognized. I've received nothing from the BCI stating that PA has changed anything. Something doesn't smell right here.
    I agree that this doesn't smell right. I haven't seen anything, and as I understand it, Utah reciprocity is statutory, so there is no agreement for her to try to modify.

    Does anyone really think that this could happen and go unnoticed?
    Boy, I say boy, you're reaching the limits of my medication!

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    Default Re: Utah

    Quote Originally Posted by Gandydancer5618 View Post
    Our attorney general is making it impossible for non residents to carry here with out of state permits. If you have a permit from your home state you can apply here in Pa. Cheap and easy to get.
    Cheap and easy to get?

    So if you live in California you can fly to PA to apply in person and then hope to have your LTCF mailed to your home in 6 weeks?

    And what if California won't issue you a permit? Tough shit?

    Well, guess what? Reciprocity usually means both ways. So, what you are saying is, people in PA shouldn't expect any other state to respect the PA LTCF when they travel.

    Want to drive to Arizona? No problem. Go visit every state between here and there and apply, cheap and easy.

    I certainly hope Utah and every other state stops honoring the PA LTCF if this Utah nonsense is true. If it is true, that is what she is after - ending the firearms rights of Pennsylvanians when they travel outside PA.

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