Florida sheriffs association fight against right to bear arms [sic]

[yeager484]

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Anyone know more about this?

Edit: direct link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qogTYo4mPuo#t=120

[mikelets456]

Bad link but I found this

FSA President, Sheriff Grady Judd, today announced, “The right to self-defense is well-established in law. The Florida Sheriffs confirmed this position by voting unanimously, at the 2013 Florida Sheriffs Association Summer Conference, to support the Stand Your Ground law as it is currently written. Our current judicial system is comprised of multiple checks and balances to ensure fair and equitable application of all laws, including Stand Your Ground.”

“A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity, and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.” F.S. §776.013(3) [h/t SS]
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...ur-ground-law/

[JenniferG]

Here's the information on the Bill. The NRA did a superb job defending Florida's citizen's right to bear arms. It also showed that the Florida Sheriff's Association is out of step with the US Constitution. The Florida's Sheriff Association should be disbanded or their leadership jailed for contempt of Constitution.

Published on Mar 28, 2014


Thursday March 27th 2014, the Florida Sheriffs Association (FSA) openly testified against Second Amendment rights to the Florida House Judiciary Committee saying, "In our opinion, there is a difference between owning a firearm and carrying one concealed on your person. Owing a firearm is a right; carrying it concealed is a privilege; and it is a privilege that is earned..."

In what can only be viewed as contempt and distrust for law-abiding gun owners, the Florida Sheriffs Association went on to say that during an emergency you are "least likely to use a firearm in a safe and responsible manner". Think about that. The Sheriffs are telling your legislature that when you are under attack by looters and rioters, you should be disarmed because you will be the irrational person in the situation.

The Sheriff's Association also told the committee that "there is plenty of time before hurricane season starts to go out and get a concealed weapons permit so you can carry on your person." This is completely false. Hurricane Season starts June 1st, only 62 days from now. Even if you already have your training certificate, your fingerprinting done, and have the $112.00 in fees ready to spend today, appointments at the regional offices are booked up to six months out and applications by mail are currently taking more than 90 days.

In other words, FSA is saying your Second Amendment right to BEAR arms can only be exercised if you have the time and money to get a license to carry a concealed handgun.

The Sheriffs go on to claim that "Given modern technology, the approach of storms can be predicted days in advance; and the last second flight scenarios are just not realistic." Anyone who has tracked approaching hurricanes knows this to be false.

A similar law to the one that we are trying to fix was struck down in North Carolina in 2012. The federal court there said:
"[T]he statutes here excessively intrude upon plaintiffs' Second Amendment rights by effectively banning them (and the public at large) from engaging in conduct that is at the very core of the Second Amendment at a time when the need for self-defense may be at its very greatest." Bateman v. Perdue, No. 5:10-CV-265-H, 2012 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 47336, (E.D.N.C. Mar. 29, 2012)

The bill that the FSA opposes, HB 209, would create an exception to the automatic ban on firearms possession in public (even with a concealed carry license) for people who are complying with a mandatory evacuation order.

This is the unconstitutional law that the FSA is trying to protect:

870.044 Automatic emergency measures — Whenever the public official declares that a state of emergency exists, pursuant to s. 870.043, the following acts shall be prohibited during the period of said emergency throughout the jurisdiction:
(1) The sale of, or offer to sell, with or without consideration, any ammunition or gun or other firearm of any size or description.
(2) The intentional display, after the emergency is declared, by or in any store or shop of any ammunition or gun or other firearm of any size or description.
(3) The intentional possession in a public place of a firearm by any person, except a duly authorized law enforcement official or person in military service acting in the official performance of her or his duty.

In 1987 the Florida Sheriffs Association also opposed concealed carry, saying at the time that citizens should be forced to carry firearms openly so they would be able see who has guns. Once concealed carry passed, they turned around and pushed for the ban on open carry -- which was legal until 1987. In 2011 the FSA opposed a bill that would have restored the open carry of handguns.

The fact is that the Florida Sheriff's Association has opposed every right to bear arms bill that has ever been offered.

While the FSA may have some sympathy for people's the Right to Keep Arms at home, it is obvious that the group has disdain for the Right to Bear Arms for self-defense. At the same committee hearing, Assistant Adjutant General for the Florida Army National Guard Maj. General Don Tyre spoke in support of the bill that will allow law abiding Floridians to take their guns with them during a mandatory evacuation order without the need for a concealed carry license.

We call on you to contact your local Sheriff and ask if the Florida Sheriff's Association is representing their values. Is lobbying against the right to bear arms during an emergency how they are honoring the oath that your Sheriff swore to defend the constitution? Does your Sheriff really support the Right to Bear Arms?

It is time for Florida's Constitutional Sheriffs to take control of the FSA or quit supporting it with your tax dollars.

We need your help to continue the fight for your right to bear arms. Please Join Florida Carry today. https://www.floridacarry.org/join

Florida Sheriff's believe they can grant rights.

[Tootie]

This is the bill that is being proposed now. If this law is changed the text of 870.044 will also have to be amended.

H0209

790.01 Unlicensed carrying of concealed weapons or concealed firearms.
(1) Except as provided in subsection (3)(4), a person who is not licensed under s. 790.06 and who carries a concealed weapon or electric weapon or device on or about his or her person commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
(2) Except as provided in subsection (3), a person who is not licensed under s. 790.06 and who carries a concealed firearm on or about his or her person commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(3) This section does not apply to: a person licensed to carry a concealed weapon or a concealed firearm pursuant to the provisions of s. 790.06.
(a) A person who carries a concealed weapon, or a person who may lawfully possess a firearm and who carries a concealed firearm, on or about his or her person while in the act of complying with a mandatory evacuation order issued during a state of emergency declared by the Governor pursuant to chapter 252 or declared by a local authority pursuant to chapter 870.
(b)(4) It is not a violation of this section for A person who carries to carry for purposes of lawful self-defense, in a concealed manner:
1.(a) A self-defense chemical spray.
2.(b) A nonlethal stun gun or dart-firing stun gun or other nonlethal electric weapon or device that is designed solely for defensive purposes.
(4)(5) This section does not preclude any prosecution for the use of an electric weapon or device, a dart-firing stun gun, or a self-defense chemical spray during the commission of any criminal offense under s. 790.07, s. 790.10, s. 790.23, or s. 790.235, or for any other criminal offense.

http://amgoa.org/Proposed-Florida-Gu...tate-Law/15115

Italic words are deletions, underlined are additions.

[Qtrborecrazy]

Looking at all the of the empty seats, I can only surmise either the sheriffs really don't care or the people really don't care. You pick.

[jerkin]

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I especially cringed at the part about NRA support. Anyone know more about this?

Not really sure why you cringed at the NRA supporting the bill???? Sounds like a good bill that lets Floridians carry their firearms during a state of emergency or mandatory evacuation. Is there a problem I missed?

[yeager484]

Not really sure why you cringed at the NRA supporting the bill???? Sounds like a good bill that lets Floridians carry their firearms during a state of emergency or mandatory evacuation. Is there a problem I missed?

It must be me who missed something. I thought it was the opposite.

I'll edit that out as it's unintentionally misleading.

Thought the nra was on the side of the oppressors. That's what I get for being sidetracked

[Square Bag]

Looks like the little old lady from the NRA came out on top.

[YosemiteSam]

Looks like the little old lady from the NRA came out on top.

That little old lady(Marion Hammer) is a past president of the NRA. LOL

[JenniferG]

That little old lady(Marion Hammer) is a past president of the NRA. LOL

I thought that was her but didn't have to time to check it out. Marion Hammer was the first woman President of the NRA and a pretty darn tough cookie too!