posted signs

[biddy]

i've read several threads on this site about posted signs not carrying any legal weight. can anybody explain this and what type of signs are these?
no trespassing,no firearms allowed? i'm slightly confused

[tes151]

i've read several threads on this site about posted signs not carrying any legal weight. can anybody explain this and what type of signs are these?
no trespassing,no firearms allowed? i'm slightly confused

The ones that say " No Firearms " or " No Weapons " carry no legal weight in PA. If found to be carrying you can be asked to leave. If you don't comply you can be charged with trespass. If you leave, there are no legal ramifications. Concealed is concealed.

[biddy]

The ones that say " No Firearms " or " No Weapons " carry no legal weight in PA. If found to be carrying you can be asked to leave. If you don't comply you can be charged with trespass. If you leave, there are no legal ramifications. Concealed is concealed.

i understand that,what i don't understand is why they carry no legal weight

[skyjerk]

i understand that,what i don't understand is why they carry no legal weight

Because individuals cant make up their own gun laws.

You can tell people to leave if you dont like their carrying guns on your property.
Then, if they are still there without permission, then its trespassing. As long as they are legally allowed to carry,
then all they are guilty of is trespassing.

[Damage control]

i understand that,what i don't understand is why they carry no legal weight

You can read how many cannot? You can read english how many cannot?

Get my point?


DC

[skyjerk]

You can read how many cannot? You can read english how many cannot?

Get my point?


DC

You could try having a picture of a gun with a big red circle and line through it

[Swarner793]

Trespass is funny in PA. I work in Retail Security, if I catch someone committing Retail Theft they are issued a Notice of Trespass. If they return, they are subject to arrest under PA CS Title 18 Chapter 35 section 3503 Defiant Trespass. Now, case law has developed that that form is no longer a "blanket" advisement. The offender must be advised each time they attempt to enter the premises. If they defy that request, then they are subject to crimnal prosecution.

Be safe.

Scott

[knight0334]

i understand that,what i don't understand is why they carry no legal weight

Because there is no law stating it is illegal to go some place where "No Gun" type signs are posted.

Other states have laws that make it a crime to go into/onto places that have "No Guns" type signs - PA doesn't.

However, trespass laws and owner/tenant rights prevail(as they should) - and you can be asked to leave for ANY reason they see fit.

[str8shooter]

i understand that,what i don't understand is why they carry no legal weight

Edited to remove inaccurate info.

Rep for you incynr8

[incynr8]

I think that is mostly right, however:

(b) Defiant trespasser.--

1. A person commits an offense if, knowing that he is not licensed or privileged to do so, he enters or remains in any place as to which notice against trespass is given by:
1. actual communication to the actor;
2. posting in a manner prescribed by law or reasonably likely to come to the attention of intruders;
3. fencing or other enclosure manifestly designed to exclude intruders;
4. notices posted in a manner prescribed by law or reasonably likely to come to the person's attention at each entrance of school grounds that visitors are prohibited without authorization from a designated school, center or program official; or
5. an actual communication to the actor to leave school grounds as communicated by a school, center or program official, employee or agent or a law enforcement officer.
2. Except as provided in paragraph (1)(v), an offense under this subsection constitutes a misdemeanor of the third degree if the offender defies an order to leave personally communicated to him by the owner of the premises or other authorized person. An offense under paragraph (1)(v) constitutes a misdemeanor of the first degree. Otherwise it is a summary offense.

If you were to place evident and specific notice that a given particular individual or individuals are not 'licensed or privileged to do so', such as notification to a harasser or previous trespasser (which I agree is very highly unlikely defiant trespass), I do believe, but am not certain that THEN, and future trespass by noted individual(s) ARE defiant trespass(es).

Especially if they are jumping fences.