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February 25th, 2014, 05:10 PM #11
Re: Man with concealed gun arrested at bus station
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February 25th, 2014, 05:24 PM #12Active Member
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Re: Man with concealed gun arrested at bus station
No to sound ignorant but where is the line between open and concealed carry Obviously ones weapon being covered, by an object, is there any written description of Open Carry, stating the whole firearm must be visible, or a grip must be visible, anything of the sorts. Seem like an area for interpretation.
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Re: Man with concealed gun arrested at bus station
I was always under the impression that if confronted while OC you aren't required to show your license to carry but if you're noticed while CC you should probably show your LTCF... Would that be correct?
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February 26th, 2014, 10:57 AM #16Grand Member
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Re: Man with concealed gun arrested at bus station
If he was CCing then yes, but if he was OCing and not in a vehicle then 18 Pa.C.S. § 6122 doesn't appear to apply to him.
(a) General rule.--When carrying a firearm concealed on or about one's person or in a vehicle, an individual licensed to carry a firearm shall, upon lawful demand of a law enforcement officer, produce the license for inspection. Failure to produce such license either at the time of arrest or at the preliminary hearing shall create a rebuttable presumption of nonlicensure.
(b) Exception.--An individual carrying a firearm on or about his person or in a vehicle and claiming an exception under section 6106(b) (relating to firearms not to be carried without a license) shall, upon lawful demand of a law enforcement officer, produce satisfactory evidence of qualification for exception.18 Pa.C.S. § 6107: Prohibited conduct during emergency
(a) General rule.--No person shall carry a firearm upon the public streets or upon any public property during an emergency proclaimed by a State or municipal governmental executive unless that person is:
(1) Actively engaged in a defense of that person's life or property from peril or threat.
(2) Licensed to carry firearms under section 6109 (relating to licenses) or is exempt from licensing under section 6106(b) (relating to firearms not to be carried without a license).I am not a lawyer. Nothing I say or write is legal advice.
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March 9th, 2014, 12:34 PM #17
Re: Man with concealed gun arrested at bus station
Not sure how they expect the charge to stick.
(a) General rule.--When carrying a firearm concealed on or about one's person or in a vehicle, an individual licensed to carry a firearm shall, upon lawful demand of a law enforcement officer, produce the license for inspection. Failure to produce such license either at the time of arrest or at the preliminary hearing shall create a rebuttable presumption of nonlicensure.
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March 9th, 2014, 01:13 PM #18
Re: Man with concealed gun arrested at bus station
A preliminary issue for the DA is that the cops only approached the defendant because of the visible gun. Hard to argue that they had PC for a detention based on the clearly visible gun, and also that he was carrying it "concealed".
It was either hidden, or everyone could see that he had a gun. You don't get to alter reality and answer the question both ways for the same situation. Every holstered gun is partially obscured by the holster, the view that "any degree of concealment is enough to be concealed" would nullify all OC except for transport on foot with the gun resting on one's open palm. (This is a fact question for the jury; as citizens we need to apply some common sense here.)
Unless he was carrying concealed, the "proof of license" statute wouldn't apply here.Attorney Phil Kline, AKA gunlawyer001@gmail.com
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May 19th, 2014, 08:45 PM #19
Re: Man with concealed gun arrested at bus station
Interesting. There's been some debate about the penalty for refusing to show the license, if you are licensed.
One school of thought is that refusing to show the license is a violation of 6122, and falls into the default M-1 penalty for all other unspecified violations of the UFA.
The other possibility is that the penalty is limited to what the statute says, that refusal creates a presumption that you have to overcome in court, by showing the license to the judge/jury. Perhaps that's the way they went here. It would make the most sense, there's no reasonable way to equate "I left my license at home" with other serious crimes that rate the highest misdemeanor classification.Attorney Phil Kline, AKA gunlawyer001@gmail.com
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