Does PA meet IL "Substantially Similar" definition?

[Cfurlo]

And it sounds like a mental illness commitment is only a prohibiter for 5 years. Does that sound right?

The words "or greater" were after the 5 years part. I read that as if you had any issues recorded in the system, you're screwed.

[marinville]

"Substantially Similar" means the comparable state regulates who may carry firearms, concealed or otherwise, in public;

It sounds like any state that allows unlicensed open carry does not qualify.


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[rmagill]

And it sounds like a mental illness commitment is only a prohibiter for 5 years. Does that sound right?

Yes, for IL. For PA, an involuntary commitment takes a lengthy legal process to overcome.

Marin - the IL law uses or. Unless a court decides otherwise, this usually means pick one - i.e. concealed ENDOFOPTION otherwise ENDOFOPTION, not both. However, IANAL and IL law might be different.

[LanGuy123]

Pretty sure PA doesn't participate "in reporting persons authorized to carry firearms, concealed or otherwise, in public through NLETs."

[gbrown221]

The "substantially similar" clause applies to obtaining a CCL, but fortunately it is not a requirement for becoming an instructor. Were you successful?

Our curriculum was approved and two of our employees are approved as instructors.

[donm]

For PA, an involuntary commitment takes a lengthy legal process to overcome.

Thanks to a PA court decision a couple of weeks ago, "lengthy" apparently became "never." http://forum.pafoa.org/pennsylvania-...l-setback.html

[indianjack]

Spoke to the LT in the IL State Police gun permitting unit when I phoned about my application to be an approved IL concealed weapons instructor. He indicated that to date the only states who meet the "substantially similar" are CA, NJ, and Hawaii.

Wow even NY and DC don't measure up?

[kwc]

Wow even NY and DC don't measure up?

Only Hawaii is currently listed as an approved state... not sure HI has ever even issued a concealed carry license to an average citizen.

I think the list of "substantially similar" states will grow but am pretty confident that Pennsylvania will never appear on that list. Rats.

[kwc]

Our curriculum was approved and two of our employees are approved as instructors.

In reviewing the list of approved instructors I saw that there were a couple of PA residents on that list. Congratulations on your success.

Now, whether or not you will have a sizable pool of applicants to train is another story, unfortunately...

[mrjam2jab]

...and two of our employees are approved as instructors.

I'm curious how this works.

According to the statute, to qualify as an instructor one must qualify for a IL license. In order for a non-resident to qualify for an IL license...the "substantially similar" issue comes into play. Since PA is not "sub. similiar" how does a PA resident become an IL instructor?

(c) A person seeking to become a certified firearms
21 instructor shall:
22 (1) be at least 21 years of age;
23 (2) be a legal resident of the United States; and
24 (3) meet the requirements of Section 25 of this Act,
25 and any additional uniformly applied requirements established by the Department.

.....

Section 25 is Qualifications for a license.