What a surprise: Better Police Work is Working in Urban Centers

[Silence Dogood]

http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=21197523&sid=81

Heading into the final weeks of 2013, America's largest cities are on track to report dramatic drops in homicides -- the lowest in decades.

Eight of the nation's ten largest cities have lower murder numbers for 2013 than the previous year, with an average reduction in homicides for those cities of 15.9% according to the most recent available data compiled by ABC News.

In New York City, murders are down 20% for the year, with less than one murder per day, a rate not seen since the 1950s. Chicago is also posting a steep decline, with a 20% drop in murders, approaching levels last seen in 1965.

[RXM]

Is the article insinuating that taking folks from the hood out of the hood will decrease overall violence? I'm getting the impression that the article is saying that those areas, with a specific subset of demographics, have a culture of violence but media has generally told me otherwise b/c that's racist and/or being a bigot.

[dazeeman]

"Cause that's whats it's all about! Clap Clap"

"We are being 'smarter' and using evidenced-based approaches. We have access to mega-data like surveillance cameras, gunshot detection systems, automated license plate readers, and social media data. We use analytics and technology to help make sense of these data and help us make better decisions," Ramsey told the conference.

[wewo]

Wait they didn't claim its the new common sense gun laws?

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Is the article insinuating that taking folks from the hood out of the hood will decrease overall violence? I'm getting the impression that the article is saying that those areas, with a specific subset of demographics, have a culture of violence but media has generally told me otherwise b/c that's racist and/or being a bigot.

Yes it does... because you are displacing them to other communities where they will rape and pillage and drive up their crime statistics.

They have done it here in Pittsburgh... slowly closing the housing projects and moving everyone into the different economically challenged suburbs. Crime reductions for the large cities, crime booms for the suburbs until the burbs target these criminals and either displace them again or put them away because they have the resources and time to address the problem better.

[Bang]

Exactly. You do not stop crime...you replace or displace it. I have no doubt the figures, already "massaged", will be poster-facts to push additional gun law.

Rise and fall of crime is also cyclical, basically following imprisoned v released.

[GeneCC]

Yes it does... because you are displacing them to other communities where they will rape and pillage and drive up their crime statistics.

They have done it here in Pittsburgh... slowly closing the housing projects and moving everyone into the different economically challenged suburbs. Crime reductions for the large cities, crime booms for the suburbs until the burbs target these criminals and either displace them again or put them away because they have the resources and time to address the problem better.

I remember when Sophie Maslow chased drug dealers out of East Liberty. They moved to Oakland district of Pittsburgh, to be close to their customers. Crime went up in Oakland.

[John222]

Yes it does... because you are displacing them to other communities where they will rape and pillage and drive up their crime statistics.

They have done it here in Pittsburgh... slowly closing the housing projects and moving everyone into the different economically challenged suburbs. Crime reductions for the large cities, crime booms for the suburbs until the burbs target these criminals and either displace them again or put them away because they have the resources and time to address the problem better.

Unfortunately true. Moving them just moves the problem. My wife was a substitute teacher in several schools. One of them was a middle class rural school with the most behaved kids in the area. Then a kid expelled from the harrisburg schools system came to live with relatives and enrolled in said school district. Within a few week she had a class full of wigger trouble makers. A complete transformation. You can't let cancer spread.

[GeneCC]

Eight of the nation's ten largest cities have lower murder numbers for 2013 than the previous year, with an average reduction in homicides for those cities of 15.9% according to the most recent available data compiled by ABC News.

In New York City, murders are down 20% for the year, with less than one murder per day, a rate not seen since the 1950s. Chicago is also posting a steep decline, with a 20% drop in murders, approaching levels last seen in 1965.

John Lott did a paper on the ARREST rate for Murder in Philly about ten years ago.

It is not that guns are more likely to be used in Philadelphia murders, either. The proportion of murders involving guns is similar to that of other cities.

It would appear that Philadelphia's problems have something to do with Philadelphia, not the lack of more gun control coming out of Washington or Harrisburg.

Could it be that Philadelphia simply isn't doing such a great job at law enforcement? Since 2001, Philadelphia's arrest rate for murder has fallen by 20 percent, according to the Pennsylvania Uniform Crime Reporting System.

Nationally, and among cities with more than 250,000 people, arrest rates have remained virtually unchanged. It isn't so surprising that Philly's murder rate has gone up more than in other cities. After all, criminals are getting away with murder in Philadelphia.

Sure, Philadelphia has slightly fewer police than it had in 2001, but that drop is no different from the small drop that has occurred nationally. What is different is that Philadelphia has experienced a significant drop in arrests per officer relative to the rest of the country.

But it is not just a problem of police. The city is seeing lower conviction rates, and it is not keeping criminals in jail for very long. One could make up for this difference by hiring more police - research has shown the number of police officers to be the main factor in reducing crime. But Philadelphia's problem is how it uses the police it has.

Pointing to more gun-control laws as the solution is simply a way for politicians to pass the blame. Besides, such proposals offer little hope for actually reducing the murder rate. They've all been tried before, from one-gun-a-month limits and reporting stolen guns to the ultimate catchall - letting Philadelphia pass its own gun laws again.

http://johnrlott.tripod.com/op-eds/P...hil071707.html

If the Police would do the job that we pay them to do, their main job, catching criminals and sending them to Court, maybe the rest of us wouldn't have to either arm up to deter them or living locked up in our homes at night to keep them outside. Instead they do things "Community Relations" or being bodyguards and Public Relations Props for anti-gun Politicians.

[John222]

John Lott did a paper on the ARREST rate for Murder in Philly about ten years ago.



http://johnrlott.tripod.com/op-eds/P...hil071707.html

If the Police would do the job that we pay them to do, their main job, catching criminals and sending them to Court, maybe the rest of us wouldn't have to either arm up to deter them or living locked up in our homes at night to keep them outside. Instead they do things "Community Relations" or being bodyguards and Public Relations Props for anti-gun Politicians.

Police want to do their job, unfortunately society gets in there way. We have too many flavor of the day crimes. The prisons are filled with grass smokes, coke shorters and drunken drivers. There's no room for serious criminals. The police know it and the courts know it. It's a waste of their time arresting real criminals, their back on the street within hours.