Philly CCW- Is it worth it?

**.357mag3** · January 13th, 2007, 07:20 PM

The aggravation.

I first got my (Philly) CCW ten years ago- my last renewal was 5 years ago and it took 8 months! Now my renewal is due again- the third time paying $18.00, the third time getting fingerprinted, the third time sitting for hours in that stinking little office.

And now besides asking the city for permission, I need permission from 2 other people- and they have to be city residents. So if you are maybe new to the city, you might be screwed. If maybe your friends or neighbors (besides having to let them know you carry, which maybe you don't want to) are afraid to fill out the reference form because they fear being liable if you go postal- you are screwed. Forgive me for sounding negative, but is this really a RKBA?

So maybe I should just risk carrying w/o going through this nonsense again. What's next- whose permission will I need next time?

Has anybody, or any group ever even challenged this '2 references' hurdle?

Am I the only one p/o'd over this?

**LorDiego01** · January 13th, 2007, 07:46 PM

Im right there with ya, if you have to ask permission, its not a right. Its a priviledge.

However, as that may be, I would not risk carrying without a permit. Especially in the city.

**KeithPA** · January 13th, 2007, 08:15 PM

You could always get a permit with a state that PA has receprocity with? It will cost you more, but it may be less work.

**Lougotzz** · January 13th, 2007, 09:18 PM

I want you to know anything philly does to you NY did worse and deeper to me. If you give in they win. i am sorry to see philly be this way in such a great state. They have created their mess now they want you to be the scape goat. I had the refrence thing too in NY. My concerns were like yours. I am sure you can find 2 refrences. Go to the local range or gun store. Do it and hold your head high. When you are going through this crap just think how strong the state and federal constitution is. If it was weak you wouldnt even be in their office. You are an American. You already won! They lost and are sore loosers so they do this. They want you to stay away. Go for it!

**Broomhandle** · January 13th, 2007, 10:10 PM

Hell yes! You need the gun to face the threat of crime that the city government has fostered and refuses to confront, and without the permit you face a threat from the city itself. It has to be worth the effort.

Besides, most of the hard work has been done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolutionary_War
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**MiniDevil** · January 13th, 2007, 11:57 PM

Of course its worth it. Most LTCF applications require references. Even my Berks did. If you carry illegally, youre committing the same crime as every other gangbanger out there, whether you consider it your right or not.