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October 2nd, 2013, 04:58 PM #1
Arizona man accidentally shoots and kills girlfriend while hugging her
Probably would have happened even without a round in the chamber, right?
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/10/0...e-hugging-her/Attorney Phil Kline, AKA gunlawyer001@gmail.com
Ce sac n'est pas un jouet.
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October 2nd, 2013, 05:27 PM #2
Re: Arizona man accidentally shoots and kills girlfriend while hugging her
The man told police that the gun had been causing his girlfriend discomfort during the hug so he attempted to move it. That’s when the weapon discharged.
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October 2nd, 2013, 05:56 PM #3
Re: Arizona man accidentally shoots and kills girlfriend while hugging her
Thompson said the woman and her 18-year-old boyfriend were hugging when she became uncomfortable with a gun in his waistband.
The man was in the process of removing the gun when it discharged and shot the woman.
Read more: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region...#ixzz2gbW9Iq9S
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October 2nd, 2013, 05:57 PM #4
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October 2nd, 2013, 06:00 PM #5
Re: Arizona man accidentally shoots and kills girlfriend while hugging her
I can think of thousands of things that are worse than an unloaded gun. Cancer. Heroin. A nagging wife. Flooding. Drought. Muggers. Sour milk. An empty holster. Federal deficits. High taxes. Bad doctors. Flat tires.
Seriously, "nothing" worse than a gun with a full mag and an empty chamber? Your life must have been blessed to an extent that I'm forced to envy, if having to rack the slide is the worst thing that you can imagine.Attorney Phil Kline, AKA gunlawyer001@gmail.com
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October 2nd, 2013, 06:04 PM #7Active Member
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Re: Arizona man accidentally shoots and kills girlfriend while hugging her
All kinds of uncharitable thoughts come to mind reading this, so I'll use restraint since it's not that kind of story, so praise me for that, how long would it take to unholster?
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October 2nd, 2013, 06:07 PM #8
Re: Arizona man accidentally shoots and kills girlfriend while hugging her
Gunlawyer, you say that as if there has never been an ND when the gun was supposed to have an empty chamber. Carelessness is carelessness whether the gun usually has +1 or not. My limited experience of people that I know and have met is that people who keep their guns without a round in the chamber typically have less muzzle control and are less safe/more careless with their guns than one who always has a round in the chamber. This is, I believe, because in their mind since the gun isn't loaded, it's not as dangerous and they become more complacent.
Now I know I've probably just stepped on a few toes and that's OK. I'm sure all the guys that do carry without a round chambered are now writing me a mean reply. So be it. These are my observations from the people I've met in life. I hope that all of you on this forum that do carry in this manner aren't like the people I've met. I really do.
Anyways back to the point. Complacency is what kills (literally). Whether you're complacent with a round chambered or not doesn't really matter because as time and time again show, people make mistakes. Sometimes those mistakes are thinking the chamber is empty (as it always is) but this time it's not and it goes bang. Or the mistake could be that you become complacent in your handling of a gun you know has a round in the chamber.
I'm pretty sure you and I have talked before about the numbers of NDs compared to the number of self defense shootings (actual shootings not just displays). And we came to the conclusion that we really don't know what happens more. Unfortunately this is a no win situation. Either you carry without one in the chamber and hope that if you ever do need it, that you have two hands available, or you carry +1 and live with the increased possibility of an ND. Pick your poison.Practicing free speech outside of the designated free speech zones.
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October 2nd, 2013, 06:09 PM #9
Re: Arizona man accidentally shoots and kills girlfriend while hugging her
Ya got me there pal!
Seriously, "nothing" worse than a gun with a full mag and an empty chamber? Your life must have been blessed to an extent that I'm forced to envy, if having to rack the slide is the worst thing that you can imagine.
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October 2nd, 2013, 06:54 PM #10
Re: Arizona man accidentally shoots and kills girlfriend while hugging her
Attorney Phil Kline, AKA gunlawyer001@gmail.com
Ce sac n'est pas un jouet.
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