question about Pa concealed carry

**jjd0527** · February 20th, 2014, 08:49 AM

I was reading over the laws for concealed carry in Pa. I came across this. I think I know what it is saying, but I m not sure.

Any person carrying a handgun in any vehicle or concealed on or about his person’ is required to have a license to carry or a Sportsman’s Firearm Permit (good only for hunting, fishing, trapping and dog training).
However, no license is required

by any person who is otherwise eligible to possess a firearm and who is operating a motor vehicle which is registered in the person’s name or the name of a spouse or parent and which contains a firearm for which a valid license has been issued to the spouse or parent owning the firearm.

Can anyone clear this up for me?

**USMC3531** · February 20th, 2014, 09:03 AM

It says if you are over 21 and not a criminal and driving your dads/or wifes car and they left their gun in it and they have a lctf, you wont go to jail for the gun being there

**jjd0527** · February 20th, 2014, 09:09 AM

I read from this exception rule.....that I can be driving my car with our loaded firearm in it, as long as my wife has a concealed carry permit....Is that incorrect. I am curious about this because unfortunately I cannot get a CCW in Pa, however I am legally allowed to purchase and have purchased firearms in Pa. Since I can't conceal carry, I plan on open carrying, however I know that I cannot carry our handgun in the car without a CCW unless going to and from the range

**BimmerJon** · February 20th, 2014, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by USMC3531

It says if you are over 21 and not a criminal and driving your dads/or wifes car and they left their gun in it and they have a lctf, you wont go to jail for the gun being there

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**BimmerJon** · February 20th, 2014, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by jjd0527

I read from this exception rule.....that I can be driving my car with our loaded firearm in it, as long as my wife has a concealed carry permit....Is that incorrect. I am curious about this because unfortunately I cannot get a CCW in Pa, however I am legally allowed to purchase and have purchased firearms in Pa. Since I can't conceal carry, I plan on open carrying, however I know that I cannot carry our handgun in the car without a CCW unless going to and from the range

The exception was intended to protect those that accidentally got into a car with a spouses gun in it.... Not to allow you to do what you claim.

You could loan your firearm to your wife whenever in a car and when arriving take it back and OC. Although some jurors may see your intention as circumventing the law.

Get a permit from any state. It allows you to carry in a car, but you need to be aware of land mines... SoE, school zones, Philly, etc

**jjd0527** · February 20th, 2014, 09:34 AM

Thanks Bimmer Jon, however after much research I found on the Pa Attorney Generals website that as of April of last year Pa does not accept permits from other states unless you are a resident of that state. I guess I will have to only carry when my wife is with me for now....hopefully PA goes to constitutional carry in the near future.

**BimmerJon** · February 20th, 2014, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by jjd0527

Thanks Bimmer Jon, however after much research I found on the Pa Attorney Generals website that as of April of last year Pa does not accept permits from other states unless you are a resident of that state. I guess I will have to only carry when my wife is with me for now....hopefully PA goes to constitutional carry in the near future.

You can still carry in a vehicle with a permit from ANY state. It has nothing to do with reciprocity...
Just stay out of Philly, don't CC on foot or during a SoE or go within 1000' of a school

http://reference.pafoa.org/statutes/...out-a-license/

18 Pa.C.S. § 6106: Firearms not to be carried without a license

(a) Offense defined.--
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), any person who carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license under this chapter commits a felony of the third degree.
(2) A person who is otherwise eligible to possess a [FN1] valid license under this chapter but carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license and has not committed any other criminal violation commits a misdemeanor of the first degree.

(b) Exceptions.--The provisions of subsection (a) shall not apply to:
(1) Constables, sheriffs, prison or jail wardens, or their deputies, policemen of this Commonwealth or its political subdivisions, or other law-enforcement officers.
(2) Members of the army, navy, marine corps, air force or coast guard of the United States or of the National Guard or organized reserves when on duty.
(3) The regularly enrolled members of any organization duly organized to purchase or receive such firearms from the United States or from this Commonwealth.
(4) Any persons engaged in target shooting with a firearm, if such persons are at or are going to or from their places of assembly or target practice and if, while going to or from their places of assembly or target practice, the firearm is not loaded.
(5) Officers or employees of the United States duly authorized to carry a concealed firearm.
(6) Agents, messengers and other employees of common carriers, banks, or business firms, whose duties require them to protect moneys, valuables and other property in the discharge of such duties.
(7) Any person engaged in the business of manufacturing, repairing, or dealing in firearms, or the agent or representative of any such person, having in his possession, using or carrying a firearm in the usual or ordinary course of such business.
(8) Any person while carrying a firearm which is not loaded and is in a secure wrapper from the place of purchase to his home or place of business, or to a place of repair, sale or appraisal or back to his home or place of business, or in moving from one place of abode or business to another or from his home to a vacation or recreational home or dwelling or back, or to recover stolen property under section 6111.1(b)(4) (relating to Pennsylvania State Police), or to a place of instruction intended to teach the safe handling, use or maintenance of firearms or back or to a location to which the person has been directed to relinquish firearms under 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108 (relating to relief) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm or to a licensed dealer's place of business for relinquishment pursuant to 23 Pa.C.S § 6108.2 (relating to relinquishment for consignment sale, lawful transfer or safekeeping) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm or to a location for safekeeping pursuant to 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108.3 (relating to relinquishment to third party for safekeeping) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm.
(9) Persons licensed to hunt, take furbearers or fish in this Commonwealth, if such persons are actually hunting, taking furbearers or fishing as permitted by such license, or are going to the places where they desire to hunt, take furbearers or fish or returning from such places.
(10) Persons training dogs, if such persons are actually training dogs during the regular training season.
(11) Any person while carrying a firearm in any vehicle, which person possesses a valid and lawfully issued license for that firearm which has been issued under the laws of the United States or any other state.
(12) A person who has a lawfully issued license to carry a firearm pursuant to section 6109 (relating to licenses) and that said license expired within six months prior to the date of arrest and that the individual is otherwise eligible for renewal of the license.
(13) Any person who is otherwise eligible to possess a firearm under this chapter and who is operating a motor vehicle which is registered in the person's name or the name of a spouse or parent and which contains a firearm for which a valid license has been issued pursuant to section 6109 to the spouse or parent owning the firearm.
(14) A person lawfully engaged in the interstate transportation of a firearm as defined under 18 U.S.C § 921(a)(3) (relating to definitions) in compliance with 18 U.S.C. § 926A (relating to interstate transportation of firearms).
(15) Any person who possesses a valid and lawfully issued license or permit to carry a firearm which has been issued under the laws of another state, regardless of whether a reciprocity agreement exists between the Commonwealth and the state under section 6109(k), provided:
(i) The state provides a reciprocal privilege for individuals licensed to carry firearms under section 6109.
(ii) The Attorney General has determined that the firearm laws of the state are similar to the firearm laws of this Commonwealth.
(16) Any person holding a license in accordance with section 6109(f)(3).

**libertyfor500** · February 21st, 2014, 07:34 AM

Wait,this is one of my fears,what will get you denied on a LTCF application but not on a PICS and the ATF form? That sucks for you I'm hoping this doesn't happen to me when that bridge comes up. I'm cool with open carry, but this state seems a tad too blue to be doing it. I guarantee some safety sally or sam will call the cops if you oc.