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July 13th, 2013, 01:14 PM #1Super Member
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Obscure Rifle/Shotgun Identification (Old, "LZarina")
Well guys, I have no idea what to say about this rifle, so I'll just go right into it. I received it from an older gentleman who typed this about it: "This weapon was purchased appriximately 1951-52 while [someone] was stationed in the army in SOuth America. The gun has never been fired. . .The only information I have on this gun is attched to the trigger guard by the manufacturer. The only marking I could find on the gun was as follows: [see picture] LZarina #5588."
The gun is light, even fake feeling. The only reason I have to believe it is real are some of the functional parts, and a rough translation of the tag (written in a South American language). They translate the following (Google translate):
this shotgun and manufactured with materials otimos. But, however good the material used, the weapon will be able not resist, since it will not be taken the following precautions: a.) Employing only ordinary black gunpowder in load does not exceed 2 grams. b.) not put together a load of lead, projetilou Any extra oatro foreign body. c). Becoming buchapafp to avoid getting space between it and the load lead. d.) Verficar whenever making use of the shotgun, the barrel is not prohibited by this land. cloth or any other material. and.) Thoroughly clean the barrel, all the time that you used the weapon.
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July 13th, 2013, 01:16 PM #2Super Member
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July 13th, 2013, 01:30 PM #3Grand Member
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Re: Obscure Rifle/Shotgun Identification (Old, "LZarina")
Two grams of powder is only 30 grains......a very light load.
Coupled with the part about NO lead projectile and "barrel is not prohibited by this land. cloth or any other material (no wadding of any kind?) I would guess it is just a blank noise maker.
Even then I would have to think a lot before shooting it.
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July 13th, 2013, 01:31 PM #4
Re: Obscure Rifle/Shotgun Identification (Old, "LZarina")
I believe it is just a realistic toy gun. I have seen some of these but never in this nice a condition and with tags. Most people seem to think they are a real gun but you would be real sorry if you ever attempted to fire a projectile out of one. The ones I handled were made of cheap pot metal and would just crumble in your hands. I have no clue what it would be worth.
Edit: I'll see if my dad still has one and post pics if he does. It was in sad shape last time I handled it.Last edited by eyecanshoot; July 13th, 2013 at 01:34 PM.
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July 13th, 2013, 01:39 PM #5Grand Member
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Re: Obscure Rifle/Shotgun Identification (Old, "LZarina")
Ps....Amadeo Rossi is the founder of Rossi.
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July 13th, 2013, 01:47 PM #6Super Member
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Re: Obscure Rifle/Shotgun Identification (Old, "LZarina")
The thing that gets me is that there seems to be no similar rifles anywhere on google. Lots of .38 pistols though.
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July 13th, 2013, 02:20 PM #7
Re: Obscure Rifle/Shotgun Identification (Old, "LZarina")
The barrel does seem much thicker than the toys/replicas I have seen. Sorry I missed the second batch of pictures. Might be made in Spain and just imported to South America.
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July 13th, 2013, 05:38 PM #8Grand Member
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Re: Obscure Rifle/Shotgun Identification (Old, "LZarina")
From the Portuguese dictionary material "otimo" means superior or first rate (or spanking). Did you run the translation through a Spanish or Portuguese translator....They speak Portugese there.
With the hang tag I would doubt its Italian. Rossi is a well known firearms company. They probably made it themselves.
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July 13th, 2013, 07:33 PM #9Super Member
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Re: Obscure Rifle/Shotgun Identification (Old, "LZarina")
Actually, the man I got the rifle from translated the tag before I did, and yes, he did translate "otimo" as "the finest." I re-translated it as I assumed he couldn't read some of the small print on the tag. This gun really puzzles me...
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July 13th, 2013, 07:56 PM #10
Re: Obscure Rifle/Shotgun Identification (Old, "LZarina")
Try Googling "lazarino" instead of "lazarina".
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