Question about sbr and full auto permission

[yoshi]

A friend is picking up a bunch of pps43c pistols and offered one to me very cheap. In looking at it I think it would make a very handy sbr, once a new stock was attached. After browsing around online, it appears that getting the components to make it full auto again are both cheap and easy to acquire as well. Would I need to do anything special to make this pistol into a full auto sbr aside from the normal $200 tax and form? As a non ffl CAN I even do that? It was obviously manufactured before 1986 but after being imported and modified to make it semi, would it qualify to be made into a full auto firearm?

[Solaran_X]

A friend is picking up a bunch of pps43c pistols and offered one to me very cheap. In looking at it I think it would make a very handy sbr, once a new stock was attached. After browsing around online, it appears that getting the components to make it full auto again are both cheap and easy to acquire as well. Would I need to do anything special to make this pistol into a full auto sbr aside from the normal $200 tax and form? As a non ffl CAN I even do that? It was obviously manufactured before 1986 but after being imported and modified to make it semi, would it qualify to be made into a full auto firearm?

Neither you or anyone else should of a Class VII FFL with a SOT (I believe, correct me if I am wrong) can legally do that. Converting any semiautomatic firearm into full automatic violates the Hughes Amendment to the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986, since that is considered manufacturing and it is clearly after May 19th, 1986.

Basically, no - you cannot turn it back into full automatic. And those who could do it for you legally cannot legally transfer the firearm back to you.

Believe me, I am not fan of this law that I'm pretty sure is unconstitutional. I would love to be able to buy a brand new fully automatic M4 for like $2,000 instead of being required to buy a 27 year old M16 for like $20,000....but it is the law, and we need to follow it until it can be overturned.

[yoshi]

I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that as long as I paid the tax and put it on the form, I could use a registered assembly pre 1986 and convert it, like the ruger 10/22 norell (sp?) trigger kits you see all over the place. If that applies to rugers manufactured after 1986, because the trigger assembly was registered pre 86, would it not also apply to a pistol that was manufactured pre 86 and modified after 1986 into semi, effectively manufactured again, and an assembly registered before 1986 to make it full auto again?

[USMC3531]

No you cant make your pps43 full auto. the full auto must have been manufartured as a full auto AND registered before 86. there are some "registered sears, or trigger packs" that were registered before 86 that can be installed into another "host" but you are talking $$$$$$$$$ you can pay your tax and make a SBR but you can forget about FA unless you hava a FFL with SOT or tens of thousands of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[knight0334]

The only way to make a full auto pps43c is to lawfully acquire sear or conversion kit that was made and registered prior to 1986.


The FFL1/2/7/8/9/10/11+SOT3(dealer) still requires Demonstration Letters from police departments so that you can demo the gun to police departments.

FFL7/10+SOT2 costs an assload of money just for the license and occupational tax.

And some FFL types and SOT types require you to register with ITAR at a yearly fee of no less than $2250.

And to top it all off - you will not get the FFL or SOT if you are not truly in business.

[JrFreak]

Not legal... Federal offense... many years in jail.

[GunLawyer001]

The way the "registered sears" and other registered conversion devices work is this: The National Firearms Act defines "machinegun" to include conversion devices. So the various full-auto sears, packs, bolts and anything else that were registered as machineguns prior to the effective date of the 1986 FOPA are "firearms" all by themselves. When you place one in a Title I firearm, you still only have one machinegun.

Registered conversion devices all by themselves will cost you north of $10K, because you're paying for the right to make your otherwise drab AR-15 or H&K gun into a snazzy machinegun.

There are other "conversion devices" that don't change the essential function of the host firearm, mostly bump fire devices that slap the trigger faster than you could slap the trigger manually. None of these are electrical in nature (that would be a felony). All of them either use springs or they tap into the recoil of the entire gun.

Read up on the Akins Accelerator, which is an infuriating saga of ATF mishandling and abuse. Compare that to the Slidefire stock, the BMF Activator, and some of the other gimmicks that make semi guns fire faster, yet with an exciting amount of inaccuracy and awkwardness.

It's for the children.

[Pa.Sniper]

Real simple, the firearm is in kit form, correct? You will have to get a receiver to make it work, correct? Where are you going to find said receiver that was made before 1986, in complete condition for your build? You will have to 1) rebuild receiver that came with your kit, therefore making it a 2013 receiver. 2) find a complete receiver built in the us for the build, non fa.

You need an imported receiver, complete, made before 1986, on a form 4 to do what you are thinking. ($$$$$$$$$$)

P.S. Please do not break the law, 10 years in Leavenworth is not worth it.
If you really want to shoot FA, go to Vegas and rent one.
(Cheaper than a receiver)

[GUNGUY45]

Real simple, the firearm is in kit form, correct? You will have to get a receiver to make it work, correct? Where are you going to find said receiver that was made before 1986, in complete condition for your build? You will have to 1) rebuild receiver that came with your kit, therefore making it a 2013 receiver. 2) find a complete receiver built in the us for the build, non fa.

You need an imported receiver, complete, made before 1986, on a form 4 to do what you are thinking. ($$$$$$$$$$)

P.S. Please do not break the law, 10 years in Leavenworth is not worth it.
If you really want to shoot FA, go to Vegas and rent one.
(Cheaper than a receiver)

Imported MGs needed to be registered prior to the GC Act of 1968, NOT 1986.
That's how the whole "Pre Sample" thing was created...
From 1968 till 1986 the only Mgs that could be registered, (transferable) were domestically made.

[GUNGUY45]

"Registered Trigger Packs" can only be used in the weapons that they were designed for.
You can't put an FNC sear in a SCAR, or a RDIAS in an AR10.
So a Norrell Trigger pack can only be put in a 10/22, I don't think there exists a registered pack for a PPS43, as there weren't any imported before 1986.(as far as I know)