I did not see this, so please dont castrate me!!! LTFC and Reciprocity

[rockislife04]

Hello yall, I have a couple questions for you today. But i would first like to say, thank you to all the people on here with the vast amout of knowledge you have. It has come in very handy over the last few years.

I got in a little trouble a few years back and it is comming back to bite me in the ass now! i got a m2 and am unable to get a ltfc in pa(unless for some crazy reason the sheriff decides to budge)

Now my first question has to do with oc and transportation without a ltfc.

Can you have your weapon in a lock box in your trunk or such, and then oc when arrived at destination?

And(my second question) if not, which states allow mail in application, allow non residents to obtain a ltfc, have reciprocity with pa, and allow the individual to have a m2?

If you guys have any info on these two questions please let me know.

Thank you very much!

[knight0334]

To merely have a "firearm" in, on, or upon a vehicle you need a LTCF unless you are going to/from one of the exempted locations. A permit from any state is valid regardless of reciprocity in, on, or upon a vehicle.

You cannot just lockup a handgun in a box and transport it to a location to OC it. You must have a LTCF or a permit from any state.

Several states offer mail-in permits.

[PAMedic=F|A=]

I believe the original reply is incorrect.

You may carry a firearm in any form of transportation but the firearm and ammunition must be separate.

A magazine pouch (I would use one that closed with a snap / velcro) is considered a separate container.

[knight0334]

I believe the original reply is incorrect.

You may carry a firearm in any form of transportation but the firearm and ammunition must be separate.

A magazine pouch (I would use one that closed with a snap / velcro) is considered a separate container.

I am absolutely correct.

Title 18, chapter 61, subchapter 6106(a) criminalizes carrying a "firearm" in a vehicle unless exempted under 6106(b). PA law limits unlicensed vehicle to only a few places or reasons. Transporting to merely open carry is not one of them.

You absolutely cannot transport in a vehicle a "firearm" whether loaded or unloaded, encased or not, to a place not enumerated in 6106(b) without a license.

[GeneralWashington]

To expand upon what Knight said (the bolded sections are relevant):

§ 6106. Firearms not to be carried without a license.
(a) Offense defined.--
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), any person who carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license under this chapter commits a felony of the third degree.
(2) A person who is otherwise eligible to possess a valid license under this chapter but carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license and has not committed any other criminal violation commits a misdemeanor of the first degree.
(b) Exceptions.--The provisions of subsection (a) shall not apply to:
(1) Constables, sheriffs, prison or jail wardens, or their deputies, policemen of this Commonwealth or its political subdivisions, or other law-enforcement officers.
(2) Members of the army, navy, marine corps, air force or coast guard of the United States or of the National Guard or organized reserves when on duty.
(3) The regularly enrolled members of any organization duly organized to purchase or receive such firearms from the United States or from this Commonwealth.
(4) Any persons engaged in target shooting with a firearm, if such persons are at or are going to or from their places of assembly or target practice and if, while going to or from their places of assembly or target practice, the firearm is not loaded.
(5) Officers or employees of the United States duly authorized to carry a concealed firearm.
(6) Agents, messengers and other employees of common carriers, banks, or business firms, whose duties require them to protect moneys, valuables and other property in the discharge of such duties.
(7) Any person engaged in the business of manufacturing, repairing, or dealing in firearms, or the agent or representative of any such person, having in his possession, using or carrying a firearm in the usual or ordinary course of such business.
(8) Any person while carrying a firearm which is not loaded and is in a secure wrapper from the place of purchase to his home or place of business, or to a place of repair, sale or appraisal or back to his home or place of business, or in moving from one place of abode or business to another or from his home to a vacation or recreational home or dwelling or back, or to recover stolen property under section 6111.1(b)(4) (relating to Pennsylvania State Police), or to a place of instruction intended to teach the safe handling, use or maintenance of firearms or back or to a location to which the person has been directed to relinquish firearms under 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108 (relating to relief) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm or to a licensed dealer's place of business for relinquishment pursuant to 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108.2 (relating to relinquishment for consignment sale, lawful transfer or safekeeping) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm or to a location for safekeeping pursuant to 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108.3 (relating to relinquishment to third party for safekeeping) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm.
(9) Persons licensed to hunt, take furbearers or fish in this Commonwealth, if such persons are actually hunting, taking furbearers or fishing as permitted by such license, or are going to the places where they desire to hunt, take furbearers or fish or returning from such places.
(10) Persons training dogs, if such persons are actually training dogs during the regular training season.
(11) Any person while carrying a firearm in any vehicle, which person possesses a valid and lawfully issued license for that firearm which has been issued under the laws of the United States or any other state.
(12) A person who has a lawfully issued license to carry a firearm pursuant to section 6109 (relating to licenses) and that said license expired within six months prior to the date of arrest and that the individual is otherwise eligible for renewal of the license.
(13) Any person who is otherwise eligible to possess a firearm under this chapter and who is operating a motor vehicle which is registered in the person's name or the name of a spouse or parent and which contains a firearm for which a valid license has been issued pursuant to section 6109 to the spouse or parent owning the firearm.
(14) A person lawfully engaged in the interstate transportation of a firearm as defined under 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(3) (relating to definitions) in compliance with 18 U.S.C. § 926A (relating to interstate transportation of firearms).
(15) Any person who possesses a valid and lawfully issued license or permit to carry a firearm which has been issued under the laws of another state, regardless of whether a reciprocity agreement exists between the Commonwealth and the state under section 6109(k), provided:
(i) The state provides a reciprocal privilege for individuals licensed to carry firearms under section 6109.
(ii) The Attorney General has determined that the firearm laws of the state are similar to the firearm laws of this Commonwealth.
(16) Any person holding a license in accordance with section 6109(f)(3).

Basically, unless you're taking it to the range or to a shop and going DIRECTLY there and back, its not legal. That's the short version.

The popular out-of-state choices with mail-ins are Florida and Utah I believe.

And just as a comment, I'd take anything knight says regarding these types of topics as correct unless it can be proven otherwise.

[sprrdhawk44]

He would need a LTCF before applying to Utah anyway, so Utah is out.

[uniballin]

I believe the original reply is incorrect.

You may carry a firearm in any form of transportation but the firearm and ammunition must be separate.

A magazine pouch (I would use one that closed with a snap / velcro) is considered a separate container.

Please don't give out misinformation that could get somebody arrested. Knight is correct.

[Tootie]

Florida is out too. Pa no longer recognizes non-res Florida permits.

[internet troll]

Florida is out too. Pa no longer recognizes non-res Florida permits.

Does that apply to when you are in a car? I am not an expert but was under the impression that Fla (or any states permit) is still okay for transporting a gun, just not CC outside the car.


Hope I am not wrongfully confusing the matter further. Seriously, they've made carry laws too confusing.

[Swarner793]

Does that apply to when you are in a car? I am not an expert but was under the impression that Fla (or any states permit) is still okay for transporting a gun, just not CC outside the car.


Hope I am not wrongfully confusing the matter further. Seriously, they've made carry laws too confusing.

That is correct. It is so by statute so the AG can not change it at her whim.

Be safe (and follow the law, as written).

Scott