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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtbkski View Post
    OK, without spending $119 on just a rear sight by Troy (would love too, but there is so much I need, or, at least want). Which sight out there does this that won't cost me a ton of money yet is a reliable rear sight. Most that I have been looking at do not say whether or not they lock up. Just just say that they lock down.
    Fixed options from Troy or Daniel Defense run about $60.

    http://troyind.com/%20/back-up-iron-...ght-rear-fixed

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    Quote Originally Posted by synergy View Post
    You can ask KAC the same thing. There are a number of sets on the market that work like that, and I want nothing to do with them.
    I'm looking for a good rear sight. Please, someone suggest one that locks up and down without my having to spend $119 on a rear sight by Troy. There have to be good ones a bit cheaper without buying junk. This is one thing I need right away. Please help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtbkski View Post
    I'm looking for a good rear sight. Please, someone suggest one that locks up and down without my having to spend $119 on a rear sight by Troy. There have to be good ones a bit cheaper without buying junk. This is one thing I need right away. Please help.
    There isn't, unless you go to a fixed (non folding) design like I linked above.

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    Primary Arms has had Troy BUIS's on sale for 89.95 in the past, and during holidays, like the 4th and Labor Day. Lowest I've seen was 79.95. Subscribe to their emails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by synergy View Post
    There isn't, unless you go to a fixed (non folding) design like I linked above.
    I have been considering going this route. But was worried about using the Red dot with the rear sight up all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtbkski View Post
    I have been considering going this route. But was worried about using the Red dot with the rear sight up all the time.
    It's not much of a problem. It's even less of a problem is you use a lower 1/3rd cowitness.

    That's how my AR is setup, by preference.

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    Default Re: Military vs. Self defense training

    Quote Originally Posted by Mtbkski View Post
    I'm looking for a good rear sight. Please, someone suggest one that locks up and down without my having to spend $119 on a rear sight by Troy. There have to be good ones a bit cheaper without buying junk. This is one thing I need right away. Please help.
    Randy,

    The bottom line here is if you want quality weapon components, you have to be willing to spend what it takes to get them.

    For a fold down rear sight, Troy is the gold standard on the market today. They are by far and away the best in my opinion. You might be able to get lucky and find one somewhere for $89, but for the most part you are looking at $100 - $119.

    You and I both know what you dealt with as far as the piece of junk rear sight you had last weekend. I've never, ever seen anything like that happen to a Troy.

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    Default Re: Military vs. Self defense training

    Quote Originally Posted by Mtbkski View Post
    I have been considering going this route. But was worried about using the Red dot with the rear sight up all the time.
    A fixed rear BUIS presents no particular problem relative to an optic.

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    Especially with a lower 1/3 mount.. It's faster to transition to, you have nothing to stop and flip up! Plus it's sturdier than a folding one. More moving parts= more stuff can break. I thought a fixed front sight post would interfere with an ACOG, but it really doesn't..

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    The reason why many people prefer the flip down sights is because high quality red dot optics - Aimpoint, Trijicon, NOT EoTurd - almost never fail. I'm never had a single problem with any Aimpont I've owned.

    If you are using an optic and you have either a fixed rear sight or your folding rear sight in the up position, it will obstruct your view to some degree. This isn't a matter of opinion - it's a visual fact. You will have a better - meaning unobstructed - field of view when looking through the optic if the rear sight is not in your line of sight.

    Some say it doesn't bother them. That's not the same thing as saying it doesn't happen or that the obstruction doesn't exist. Again, there is no debate here - having the rear sight as part of your sight picture when using an optic will obstruct your view to some degree.

    Many people like the lower 1/3 co-witness. I do not. I can't stand it, and I feel like I have to change my cheek weld when going from the dot to the irons.

    I use absolute co-witness on all of my Aimpoints.
    Last edited by John A Brown; June 7th, 2013 at 08:50 PM.

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