Firearms training in NJ / Issues for PA residents?

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Tactical Response is conducting training classes this summer in Winslow, NJ. I'm considering registering for these classes, but I'm a little worried about NJ gun laws. Are there any issues I may run into being a PA resident? Can I use 15 round magazines? Can I even be in possession of a firearm without a NJ license?

[1blindref]

15 round mags are the limit, so your mags are OK.
I've never shot in Jersey but I know a few guys that have shot IDPA matches in NJ. They make sure their guns are unloaded and the ammo is stored in a different area in the car. One guy even breaks his gun down!

No hollow point ammo and go straight to the match and straight back to Pa when finished.
Don't even stop to take a piss!

[LastManOut]

15 round mags are the limit, so your mags are OK.
I've never shot in Jersey but I know a few guys that have shot IDPA matches in NJ. They make sure their guns are unloaded and the ammo is stored in a different area in the car. One guy even breaks his gun down!

No hollow point ammo and go straight to the match and straight back to Pa when finished.
Don't even stop to take a piss!

This reminds me of when we had to drive from West Germany to West Berlin through East Germany. Don't stop, stay in the car, etc.

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I'm going to the range in NJ in about an hour... My instructor told me lock guns in seperate area from your locked ammo.

[never_retreat]

Hollow points are not illegal. They are legal to posses, shoot, transport, its an adder charge for criminals without a permit. Just don't leave any lose rounds in you car if you not going to and from house/ place of shooting.

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Their Fighting Pistol class requires the use of a holster.

Would it be legal to use a concealed holster, specifically the MTAC, during the pistol class?

[Philadelphia]

Tactical Response is conducting training classes this summer in Winslow, NJ. I'm considering registering for these classes, but I'm a little worried about NJ gun laws. Are there any issues I may run into being a PA resident? Can I use 15 round magazines? Can I even be in possession of a firearm without a NJ license?

Hmm, that's a tricky question. Technically, I think you can't possess a gun in NJ without a NJ firearms ID and federal law won't protect you if you are bringing the gun to a place (NJ) where you're not allowed to possess it. I still have my NJ firearms ID -- wonder if it's still valid -- a question for another day.

I used to live in jersey and the custom was always gun locked in one case, ammo locked in another, preferable all locked in the trunk, and the police did not consider that to be "possession" for purposes of transport to/from the range (I was told this by the state police, now more than 25 years ago, so who knows what crazy customs have developed since then).

I also attended a training course in NJ and was instructed to do the locked case thing, no hollow points or EFMJ, 15 round mags max., and stop for nothing other than gas. No problems arose so I can't say what would have happened if stopped and through some fiasco ended up having the car searched. Another question would be what if you have to stay overnight in a hotel if it's far from where you live.

It may well be that a training course is considered a legitimate justification for bringing a gun into jersey so the locked case thing under federal law works. Sorry I can't be much help here. Maybe ask the course sponsors to get a letter from the NJ state police saying it's OK.

[KeithPA]

Hmm, that's a tricky question. Technically, I think you can't possess a gun in NJ without a NJ firearms ID and federal law won't protect you if you are bringing the gun to a place (NJ) where you're not allowed to possess it. I still have my NJ firearms ID -- wonder if it's still valid -- a question for another day.

I think philly is on the right line of thinking. Isn't there some kinda owner ID or registration there? I know NY has registration and I remember fishing it up one time about how non residents had to register what they brought in, so I'm assuming NJ is just as bad. To and from means both destinations are ok, so that isn't relevant here.

[Raskin91]

Being that I am stuck in the PRNJ for the time being, I know where to look to find all of oppressive and staggering amount of gun laws. This should answer all your question, I am also going to put a link that will allow you reference the PRNJ gun law. NJ gun laws Hope to be moving to PA soon.
All firearms transported into the State of New Jersey:

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Shall be carried unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package, or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported, and in the course of travel, shall include only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances.
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The firearm should not be directly accessible from the passenger compartment of the vehicle. If the vehicle does not have a compartment separate from the passenger compartment, the firearm and ammunition must be in a locked container other than the vehicle's glove compartment or console.

For additional exemptions refer to Chapter 39, namely 2C:39-g.
All firearms transported through the State of New Jersey:

The following guidelines are provided in order to assist law enforcement officers in applying New Jersey's firearms laws to persons who are transporting firearms through the State of New Jersey.

1.

New Jersey laws governing firearms permits, purchaser identification cards, registration and licenses do not apply to a person who is transporting the firearm through this State if that person is transporting the firearm in a manner permitted by federal law, 18 U.S.C.A. 926A.
2.

This federal law permitting interstate transportation of a firearm applies only if all of the following requirements are met:

A.


The person's possession of the firearm was lawful in the state in which the journey began;

B.


The person's possession of the firearm will be lawful in the state in which the journey will end;

C.


The person is transporting the firearm for lawful purpose

D.


The firearm is unloaded

E.


The firearm is not directly accessible from the passenger compartment of the vehicle

F.


The ammunition is not directly accessible from the passenger compartment of the vehicle

G.


If the vehicle does not have a compartment separate from the passenger compartment, the firearm and ammunition must be in a locked container other than the vehicle's glove compartment or console;

H.


The person is not




1.


a convicted felon

2.


a fugitive from justice an addict or unlawful user of drugs, or

3.


an illegal alien

I


The person has not




1.


been adjudicated to be a mental defective

2.


been committed to a mental institution

3.


been dishonorably discharged from the armed forces, or

4.


renounced his United States Citizenship

3.

A person who is transporting a firearm though the State of New Jersey in the manner permitted by person's possession 18 U.S.C.A. 926A, see Section II above, need not give notice.
4.

Procedures for Investigation of Conduct Involving the Possession or Transportation of Firearms

A.


An officer who reasonably suspects that a person is transporting a firearm in violation of New Jersey law should make reasonable inquiries in order to confirm or dispel that suspicion.

B.


In a case where circumstances reasonably indicate that the person's possession and transportation of the firearms my be permitted by 18 U.S.C.A. 926A, the officer should make reasonable inquiries in order to determine whether the person's possession is permitted by that federal law.

C.


If reasonable inquiries lead an officer to conclude that the person's possession is lawful under either New Jersey law or 18 U.S.C.A. 926A, as described above in Section II, the officer should promptly allow the person to proceed.

D.


Whenever an officer has probable cause to believe that a person's possession of a firearm is in violation of New Jersey law and not permitted by 18 U.S.C.A. 926A, as described above in Section II, then the officer should make an arrest.

[KeithPA]

1.

New Jersey laws governing firearms permits, purchaser identification cards, registration and licenses do not apply to a person who is transporting the firearm through this State if that person is transporting the firearm in a manner permitted by federal law, 18 U.S.C.A. 926A.

He's not going through the state though. NJ is his destination. Therefore I'm assuming your registration/license shit applies to him unless there is some kind of exemption for training.