Question about "references" for concealed carry permit

[Curmudgeon]

so honest question here.

what happens if you have no references you can give (since related to you is not valid) ??

You get denied for failure to list them.

If you need a reference - do like others have done here in the past and offer to buy dinner for some members to come meet you. Sit, talk, BS, etc.. Then you will have folks to list.

^This. Hell there's a huge gathering brewing in Bucks County ay Morrisville Park this Saturday. Introduce yourself and mention your references issue... problem quickly resolved.

[John222]

References don't need to be gun owners, you can use neighbors or anyone you work with.

[dsnover]

Since the statute doesn't have any provision for the sheriff to deny you based on not knowing any persons who operate telephones, then it really is none of their business if they live in the county, the state, the country, or even are living persons. Under the privacy portions of the statute, they aren't allowed to contact them, so you can put F You and Lickma Balls for your two references, and they are not allowed to check if they are real or not. Do not lie on the form.

If the sheriff may require references to be from the county, but he/she doesn't write the law.

For the edification of persons who might waltz into the thread for more information, would you be willing to give details on the bolded? I'm actually curious about this....especially since there's a big brew-ha-ha going on in Northampton County now on references being checked....

-Darryl

[dosequis]

Here you go - it's this one: 18 PA.C.S. 6111(g)(3.1) and 6111(i)

Prince Law's blog has a pretty good writeup on Northampton's issue.

http://blog.princelaw.com/2013/04/28...-applications/

[Curmudgeon]

References don't need to be gun owners, you can use neighbors or anyone you work with.

^This. Neither of my references were gun owners, and one of them lives in Maryland. They were never contacted anyway, but the application was accepted in either case.

[rmagill]

Here you go - it's this one: 18 PA.C.S. 6111(g)(3.1) and 6111(i)

Prince Law's blog has a pretty good writeup on Northampton's issue.

http://blog.princelaw.com/2013/04/28...-applications/

I read the link, but the law appears to leave it open for the Sheriff's office to call the reference about the applicant without disclosing that the applicant is applying for a LTCF. I.e. it seems possible for the Sheriff to call asking "What do you know of ABC? Is he/she a responsible person?" etc. without violating the law. IANAL.

[dosequis]

The law seems pretty clear to me - the Sheriff's office can't legally disclose the name of the LTCF applicant to anyone during their investigation.

To me, that does leave some wiggle room about after they 'finish' their investigation.

I am not a lawyer.

[knight0334]

^This. Neither of my references were gun owners, and one of them lives in Maryland. They were never contacted anyway, but the application was accepted in either case.

Neither were mine I that used in that past too. I used two exgirlfriends for references since I first got my PA LTCF. In my first application in JeffCo the sheriff himself took my application and asked me how are they related to me, I state "exgirlfriend" for each. He looked up at me, chuckled, and said "Are you sure you want to put your ex's as references?" I said yes, and "yeah, if there is dirt to be heard it would be from them."

Since then both ex's have became gun toting card carrying folks. One of which hit the OC rallies in Meadville and Erie. She just got her LTCF a very few months ago and just recently bought a .380 to carry.

The other got her LTCF about 5 years ago and I gave her a Bersa Thunder 380 to carry, properly transferred of course.

[dsnover]

Here you go - it's this one: 18 PA.C.S. 6111(g)(3.1) and 6111(i)

Prince Law's blog has a pretty good writeup on Northampton's issue.

http://blog.princelaw.com/2013/04/28...-applications/

Interesting read.

Thanks!

-Darryl