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    Default Anyone recognize M1 carbine barrel channel markings?

    I recently acquired an M-1 carbine stock sans hand guard at a gun show.

    The only markings on it are ink-stamped in the barrel channel.

    From front to back, a large capital R on its side, followed by T. AOK and then a large 2 on its side.

    It has a cut-out for a selector switch, yet the nose seems to be the short channel. (it's not a pot-belly model either).

    Can't find anything on it, been searching many sites.

    Thanks
    Last edited by Bang; January 28th, 2013 at 03:57 PM. Reason: misspelling

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    Default Re: Anyone recognize M1 carbine barrel channel markings?

    Still trying to identify this walnut stock. Since there are no external marks, I believe it is a civilian aftermarket creation.

    I've learned other things about it. Research says there are two forward channel lengths in carbine stocks...a short and a long. The length of this one is neither. There should not be a bridge (ahead of the magazine well cut-out) if there is a selector cut-out. This has a bridge.

    Here is another odd thing...6+ years since the above post, the R remains quite visible, the T. AOK is gone, and the 2 is now barely visible.
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    Default Re: Anyone recognize M1 carbine barrel channel markings?

    Good luck with this....
    This sounds like more fun than a barrel full of monkeys.

    Not claiming carbine expert status here but have some questions.
    Some important some not so much.

    Are we 100% certainly that under good light with our best reading glasses on ..... there is no marks in the sling well?
    I assume there is a sling well or you would have mentioned this.
    I've seen claims of people saying there were no marks but there was when looked at hard enough.

    Have you had a USGI gun in this stock?
    Fit well?
    Do you have a USGI stock , if so ..... is the trigger group opening larger than that of a USGI??

    You say it seems to be a short channel ..... but then say it is neither. Have a pic of this from the top and the side with the where the band clip is/goes.?

    Used , well used , new?? Have any metal?
    If no metal ..... does that mean no barrel band clip either?

    Pics of the stock. How/what finish? Walnut , not walnut stained?

    Bought 6 yrs ago..... what did it cost?
    What else was the guy selling?

    Have you considered starting a conversation with Dupage Trading and seeing if this rings a bell to them?

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    Default Re: Anyone recognize M1 carbine barrel channel markings?

    Are we 100% certainly that under good light with our best reading glasses on ..... there is no marks in the sling well?
    I assume there is a sling well or you would have mentioned this.
    I've seen claims of people saying there were no marks but there was when looked at hard enough. Forensics was once my game. Magnified under oblique light shows nothing but smooth walnut

    Have you had a USGI gun in this stock? Yes
    Fit well?
    Do you have a USGI stock , if so ..... is the trigger group opening larger than that of a USGI?? Yes,and they are the same fit

    You say it seems to be a short channel ..... but then say it is neither. Have a pic of this from the top and the side with the where the band clip is/goes.?
    M1 Collectors website discusses stocks. The channel is normally approximately 3-3/16". Some Winchesters were extended to 4-1/16" This channel is 3-58"

    Used , well used , new?? Have any metal? It appears pristine as though never used. There is an odd attempt at a carved area to accommodate a selective lever, but it is aligned over the bridge, ie too far forward. It looks like someone made a mistake in that attempt and that's why it wound up for sale at a gun show. It came with a butt plate and the band retaining spring.
    If no metal ..... does that mean no barrel band clip either? Spring clip present

    Pics of the stock. How/what finish? Walnut , not walnut stained? Definitely American black walnut, appears to be BLO finish

    Bought 6 yrs ago..... what did it cost? $50. Don't specifically recall, but pretty sure nothing else .30 Carbine.
    What else was the guy selling?

    Have you considered starting a conversation with Dupage Trading and seeing if this rings a bell to them? I may. Thanks for the suggestion.

    Since there is a bridge present (later products and all M2s had no bridge) I think it was originally intended for an M1 and someone started to convert it for an M2, screwed it up, and got rid of it. It is a beautiful piece. Meanwhile the original stock is stored out of harm's way.

    The more I look into this, the more I think it is a post-war stock, and the reason for no stamped (impressed) markings.

    Sorry for no pics. Sometimes I can do it, sometimes (most times) it turns into an aggravating project.
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    Default Re: Anyone recognize M1 carbine barrel channel markings?

    Carbine selector cut area.jpgCarbine stock bridge.jpg

    Pencil points to where Lever cut is usually made, and points to bridge (atop the magwell area) and the cut above it.
    Last edited by Bang; May 26th, 2019 at 10:21 PM.
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    Default Re: Anyone recognize M1 carbine barrel channel markings?

    Carbine stock channel.jpg

    Doesn't look it, but it is 3-5/8" long channel, which is may as well say out of spec length.
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    Default Re: Anyone recognize M1 carbine barrel channel markings?

    Carbine R stamp.jpg

    Stylized capital R stamped in the hollow between the barrel channel and the receiver magwell.
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    Default Re: Anyone recognize M1 carbine barrel channel markings?

    Paging ScotsGuards . . .

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    Default Re: Anyone recognize M1 carbine barrel channel markings?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bang View Post
    Not clear in the picture but is that the butt of the stock at the bottom of the pic? If so this cutout does not look like anything I ever saw on a USGI stock. The rear on a USGI had round corners and you can see tooling marks. Your channel finish way too smooth and I have no idea what caused the deeper router groves on the side.

    Or someone sanded and refinished the stock in places you shouldn't. You should just reoil the sling cutout and internals.


    R = Repro? Ethical manufacturers do this.

    Edit: forgot to ask......is this a high or low wall stock. Low walls are common and cheap but high walls are expensive and are much more likley to be reproduced.
    Last edited by Delkal; May 26th, 2019 at 11:19 PM.

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