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    Default Terror brhind the walls eastern state pen.

    I called Brett Bertolino the general manager at eastern state penitentory and asked about their weapons policy and he said I can't carry their. I asked him who owns the facility and he said the city of Philly. By default I should be allowed to carry their correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JUNKMAN JIM View Post
    I called Brett Bertolino the general manager at eastern state penitentory and asked about their weapons policy and he said I can't carry their. I asked him who owns the facility and he said the city of Philly. By default I should be allowed to carry their correct?
    Eastern State is operated by a private non-profit. Though I can find no documentation of same, it is likely leased to them by the City of Philadelphia. As a private non-profit, it's their space, their rules.

    A similar example would be Bucks County Fish and Game. It's Bucks County property, leased to the club, who prohibit open carry on the property. There is no recourse to that rule by virtue of it being on county land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gascolator View Post
    Eastern State is operated by a private non-profit. Though I can find no documentation of same, it is likely leased to them by the City of Philadelphia. As a private non-profit, it's their space, their rules.

    A similar example would be Bucks County Fish and Game. It's Bucks County property, leased to the club, who prohibit open carry on the property. There is no recourse to that rule by virtue of it being on county land.
    What about the motor vehicle commision? I can carry in there and the space is leased by a private company. I would think that the law would follow the land owner. Thanks for the reply.

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    Default Re: Terror brhind the walls eastern state pen.

    Quote Originally Posted by JUNKMAN JIM View Post
    What about the motor vehicle commision? I can carry in there and the space is leased by a private company. I would think that the law would follow the land owner. Thanks for the reply.
    Nope.

    That analogy is bass-ackwards.

    The MVC is a state agency leasing the property from a private owner.

    Eastern State Historic Site Inc., is a corporation leasing the property from a municipality.

    In the first case the law works in your favor.

    In the second case the law works to your detriment.

    Their business, their rules.

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    Default Re: Terror brhind the walls eastern state pen.

    Thanks for the clarification.

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    Default Re: Terror brhind the walls eastern state pen.

    Quote Originally Posted by gascolator View Post
    A similar example would be Bucks County Fish and Game. It's Bucks County property, leased to the club, who prohibit open carry on the property. There is no recourse to that rule by virtue of it being on county land.
    Yup. Same goes for Citizens Bank Park and Lincoln Financial Field. Both are owned by the City of Philadelphia but "operated" by the respective teams.

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    Default Re: Terror brhind the walls eastern state pen.

    Oh damn I've carried there before.
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    Default Re: Terror brhind the walls eastern state pen.

    Quote Originally Posted by B.A. View Post
    Oh damn I've carried there before.
    From what I hear they don't do pat downs for the normal day tour, BUT, they do for the haunted tour, I wrote about it here about a week ago.

    http://forum.pafoa.org/lounge-108/18...itentiary.html

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    Default Re: Terror brhind the walls eastern state pen.

    If I'm going to be in a labyrinth with masses of people and not many exits I'd hide a derringer in my butt if I had to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TommyJefferson View Post
    If I'm going to be in a labyrinth with masses of people and not many exits I'd hide a derringer in my butt if I had to.
    So you'll be the dude that walks funny, then?

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