Second Ammendement Rights Taken Away

[Glock_23]

Has no bearing on her question here. There's a process for getting the 302 removed from her record and getting her rights restored. She's asking us on how to go about that process. She doesn't need to tell us her life story or the circumstances of it, as it has no bearing upon the question that she asked.

No one's opinion on this forum will have any bearing upon the process of getting her rights restored. Stick to the question that she asked.

SO you would be willing to help a convicted criminal (lets say for the sake of argument: murder) as long as he was only asking a question??? Its just a question after all, and their personal experience has NO bearing on the answer WE should provide... he just wants his rights restored...YOU have no idea what this person has done or why they had such a harsh pysch eval FORCED onto them...

[Greywolf]

I was told that since I was 302 I lost my rights
First I would like to know the exact law in this case and if I can get my rights back also I am a little confused on if it matters that i was a juvenile at the time or not and what I have to do to find out.

Basically, you have to hire an attorney. Considering that you were a juvenile at the time, I have to believe that there must be some process by which you can get your rights restored but I have no idea what that process might be. And I think a well-informed answer to your question(s) will require your giving out a LOT more very specific information about when you were committed, where you were committed, why you were committed, how long you remained committed, and a bunch of other stuff you probably won't (and shouldn't) feel comfortable sharing with an unknown number of strangers on an Internet forum.

[Emptymag]

I have seen FAR worse judgement from other posters to this forum on other threads.. Most posters BASH the OP, I simply gave my personal insight to 302 patients...

Also, did you not read the first bullet? The person is either too YOUNG (etc 15) to realize what they are doing, or why they need the involuntary commitment?

And also that "-Each 302 had a DAMN GOOD reason to get treatment, not that they had bad parents and they mistreated them and just "threw them" into the 302" MOST kids then blame their parents for their 302 and NOT their behavior.

Apparently YOU need to read other folks posts before you respond with your verbal hogworsh.

How much experience have YOU had with psych patients to give ANY say in the matter???

Anyone here a P-doc that can attest? Anyone on the forums work for Western Psych?

The forum exists to bring personal opinion... We wouldn't have a forum if it wasn't for the opinion of its posters...

And it may be true that people that were 302ed in the past are "born again", but would you say the same about someone that held a gun to someones head? Or maybe that murdered someone? Someone that committed a terrible child crime? The parents thought she did something SO BAD that she needed committed to a psych facility, that causes NO alarm to you? A criminal can snap and kill again, cant someone that isnt right mentally?

I have responded to TOO many calls of a child burned over 80% of their body by boiling water by their parents, can you guess what mental past the parent had? 302 due to acts of violence to animals, only took 20 years to do it to her own child. That was several years ago, I guess with the times comes the cure....

That was 1 call, and 1 call like that was, you guessed it... TOO MANY.

I believe you were "all red" for a while and I wasn't sure why.

I don't read as much any more, but I'm beginning to understand now.

[Glock_23]

I believe you were "all red" for a while and I wasn't sure why.

I don't read as much any more, but I'm beginning to understand now.

Just because I am to the point and honest? No wonder why the world is taking a shit for the worse... It's gone soft.... no one heaven for bid can STAND to hear the TRUTH of the matter

[GunLawyer001]

Hi my name is Victoria
I am new to this forum and I have a few questions I hope this is the place to put them
First I am trying to get a license to open carry and I seem to be having a problem, when i was 15 I was 302(Involuntarily Committed) i was young and i was put in there by my parents because I wasnt a happy child I am now I grown woman a good mother and wife and would like my rights back

I was told that since I was 302 I lost my rights
First I would like to know the exact law in this case and if I can get my rights back also I am a little confused on if it matters that i was a juvenile at the time or not and what I have to do to find out.

Thank you for taking the time to read this and help me out

We've done this, the UFA provides an avenue for restoration of your rights, under 18 PaCSA § 6105(f)(1). Sometimes it's not needed (depends on the details of the paperwork), usually it is. Basically, we prepare a petition to your court of common pleas, submit some supporting evidence, ask for relief sufficient to accomplish the goal. It will always be opposed by the State Police, so there will always be a court appearance.

It's not easy, but if the correct path is followed it's not impossible at all.

[Greywolf]

SO you would be willing to help a criminal as long as he was only asking a question??? Its just a question after all, and their personal experience has NO bearing on the answer WE should provide...

That would be correct.

Assuming there is a process for restoration of rights (and I expect there must be one -- even kids convicted of extremely serious crimes as juveniles come out with a clean slate when they hit 18), don't you think it would be part of that process to determine whether or not any reasons for removing her rights might have been resolved in order to consider restoring her rights? Your attitude seems to be that she shouldn't even be allowed to start the process to find out if she can get her rights restored. All she's asking from us is where to start the process.

If she's such a danger that she shouldn't be allowed to touch a firearm, don't you think you should be finding out who and where she is so you can have the state take her kids away from her? She's obviously not fit to be a parent (according to you).

[streaker69]

SO you would be willing to help a convicted criminal (lets say for the sake of argument: murder) as long as he was only asking a question??? Its just a question after all, and their personal experience has NO bearing on the answer WE should provide... he just wants his rights restored...YOU have no idea what this person has done, or what they MIGHT do...

I did not say that, and do not try to put words into my mouth. What I said is that we should be providing information about the process, and allow them to pursue the process. There's checks in place to keep a person that is a danger to themselves from getting the 302 expunged.

We do not provide information on how one should circumvent the law. There is a process that a person can follow to get their record clean and that's the information we should be providing. There is nothing illegal about providing that information to someone that asks. If she's no longer a danger to herself or others that will be determined during the process. You're sitting in judgement of someone that you don't even know.

[b-rad]

-Police should take all 302's but they refuse to be bothered and their simple breath of "This is a medical problem" makes it such even though it is a LAW and LEGAL problem that requires either Police escort or Police ride along for EMS personnel safety. If you are going to cuff them to the stretcher and require you to follow us in your car to the ER, why not just cuff the person and put them into your patrol car for the ride down there? Insurance Money? Laziness? (this I would like an honest LEO to answer)

We take all our 302's unless they're unable to ride in the back of a squad car (i.e. size, advanced age, etc).

- Honest LEO

[Glock_23]

That would be correct.

Assuming there is a process for restoration of rights (and I expect there must be one -- even kids convicted of extremely serious crimes as juveniles come out with a clean slate when they hit 18), don't you think it would be part of that process to determine whether or not any reasons for removing her rights might have been resolved in order to consider restoring her rights? Your attitude seems to be that she shouldn't even be allowed to start the process to find out if she can get her rights restored. All she's asking from us is where to start the process.

If she's such a danger that she shouldn't be allowed to touch a firearm, don't you think you should be finding out who and where she is so you can have the state take her kids away from her? She's obviously not fit to be a parent (according to you).

I never said be so quick as to ban her from getting her rights back, but was far as be cautionary to the reason the person was 302ed in first place... As I said, I personally have never seen someone 302 committed for any WRONG reason... HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE YOU MET/ DEALT WITH BEING 302ed??? Probably NONE. .. MOST people dont even know such INVOLUNTARY psych commitment exists...

There is a REASON the state has such power, it is for SICK people that need HELP... if she got the help, well by God Hallelujah, but be weary of such people, I have delt with them personally, many of them have led to personnel injured on the job and attacks on Police Officers... just giving my own personal experience here.

[Glock_23]

We take all our 302's unless they're unable to ride in the back of a squad car (i.e. size, advanced age, etc).

- Honest LEO

God Bless you, and where do you work good sir? IS it all ALL possible the PD MAY take a chunk of the state medical coverage payment if the "suspect" is taken via ambulance?