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October 7th, 2012, 01:49 AM #1Junior Member
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PLEASE, I NEED HELP, PICS STATUS UNDETERMINED
So I just tried to purchase my first gun about 2 weeks ago and was informed that I was being "researched", i've just heard back today that I was determined "undetermined" so I have gotten the "Denial Challenge" form...here is my dilemma:
I am about to turn 28 and back when I was 20 and in a bad part of my life I had 3 violations of a pfa, now i know that sounds worse than it is. There was absolutely NO violence and the person was using it as a security blanket, to the point that the cop yelled at this person for continuously inviting me there then using it to get me help. For all of them the judge gave me 3 mos....SINCE THEN i am a 4.0 GPA College attendee with other then that MAYBE 5-6 traffic citations.
My ? Is do i send in my appeal even though theres a spot where it says reasons for denial ( which I didnt get DENIED i got UNDETERMINED) Convictions of Domestic Violence...use of force (there was NO VIOLENCE or FORCE).
PLEASE what do I do, i dont want to get myself into trouble and ruin all the hard work i've put into my life but do want my CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT......HELP!!!!!!!
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October 7th, 2012, 03:37 AM #2
Re: PLEASE, I NEED HELP, PICS STATUS UNDETERMINED
Please rearward and maybe retype your 3rd paragraph, it doesn't make much sense. What we will need to know is this:
1) was there a conviction?
2) what was the conviction?
3) in what state was the conviction or PFA?
4) what was the grading of the conviction; summary, misdemeanor 1, 2, or 3, or felony?
It doesn't matter at all what your sentence was, what matters is the max your sentence could have been for the conviction you actually received.Last edited by Curmudgeon; October 7th, 2012 at 03:54 AM.
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October 7th, 2012, 08:18 AM #3Junior Member
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Re: PLEASE, I NEED HELP, PICS STATUS UNDETERMINED
I'm sorry if my earlier question was confusing, as I think is apparent I am EXTREMELY upset/nervous about this present situation.
Yes there was a conviction, and it was for violation of a pfa ICC (Indirect Criminal Contemlt-Meaning there was no violence/Malicious intent). The grade was [U]I Believe[U] An M3 "whatever the lowest grade misdemeanor is", and it is the the state of PA. The charge of "Violating a PFA ICC" carries a MAXIMUM sentence of 6 months.
My concern was if i send in the appeal form. When i filled out the first form at the gun store I checked "No" under domestic violence bc I azked the man if there was NO Violence should I check it and he didnt see why if there was no act of violence.
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October 7th, 2012, 09:21 AM #4
Re: PLEASE, I NEED HELP, PICS STATUS UNDETERMINED
Contact Gunlawyer001:
http://forum.pafoa.org/private.php?do=newpm&u=1125
The domestic angle and the multiple counts make this one is a little more complex than the common issues that pop up here.
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October 7th, 2012, 09:47 AM #5Junior Member
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Re: PLEASE, I NEED HELP, PICS STATUS UNDETERMINED
Thank you all for your help guys...hopefully my past doesn't ruin my future! I've contacted him...hopefully he knows...
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October 7th, 2012, 11:21 AM #6
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Good luck RB11.
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October 7th, 2012, 12:35 PM #7
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I concur with talking to an attorney.
The "domestics" issue is the problem. Under federal law a violation of any misdemeanor domestics related law, regardless of the grade or sentence, makes a person a prohibited person like a typical felon would be.RIP: SFN, 1861, twoeggsup, Lambo, jamesjo, JayBell, 32 Magnum, Pro2A, mrwildroot, dregan, Frenchy, Fragger, ungawa, Mtn Jack, Grapeshot, R.W.J., PennsyPlinker, Statkowski, Deanimator, roland, aubie515
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October 9th, 2012, 01:06 PM #8Junior Member
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Re: PLEASE, I NEED HELP, PICS STATUS UNDETERMINED
Does anyone know if it's possible to expunge it? Someone said if it's domestics I cant even though there was never any violence. I requested a backround check through PATCH and surprise surprise its under review so I have to wait 2-3 weeks. If its impossible to expunge can I at least appeal to have gun rights restored. I plan on finding out all necessary info first then hiring GunLawyer001, i dont have alot of money so i'd like to plan my route first. I sent in the appeal to find out if that is even why i was "Undetermined". And i'm still confused if that was the reason and it bars me from getting a gun (which is bull) why wasn't I "Denied"? Any educated guesses?
All help is appreciated!
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October 9th, 2012, 01:09 PM #9Junior Member
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Re: PLEASE, I NEED HELP, PICS STATUS UNDETERMINED
Also to add...I have been in contact with GunLawyer001 and he asked me to get my records which is what I now have to wait on PATCH for...
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October 9th, 2012, 01:26 PM #10
Re: PLEASE, I NEED HELP, PICS STATUS UNDETERMINED
Continue to work with Gunlawyer001. There is no one I would recommend as highly. As long as it is possible, he will do it, and as efficiently as possible, IMO.
You really ought to have him "plan your route". It may be possible to do something wrong and add to the issues he has to correct.While many claim to support the right, precious few support the practice.
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